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lily-1933.livejournal.com posting in antigwenallies May. 10th, 2015 12:00 pm)So I have just watched the entire torchwood series, and everyone else in my family all love Gwen. They think she is smart and competent, they don't appreciate the fact that I dont like Gwen. So I am writing this here so that I can get all the reasons I dont like her of my chest somewhere where I won't be insulted for it. One of my top reasons for disliking her is that the show itself tells us about a whole bunch of good attributes that she has. Which would be fine if her actions on the show ever showed any of them. The show talks about how much she loves Rhys but she cheats on him with Owen and keeps chasing after Jack. On the show someone calls her the heart of Torchwood. How in the world is that remotely true. Owen is more the heart of Torchwood then she is. Gwen only seems to care when she is made to feel guilty. Gwen only cared about the missing people in season 2 after Andy made her feel guilty about giving him a cold solder about it, then she got really annoying when she acted holier than thou to Jack about the whole thing. Then there is the fact that the only coworker she even remotely actually cares about is Jack. She acted all upset that Owen had moved on after the affair they had, even though she is supposed to be in love with Rhys. Gwen is pretty bad to Tosh. First Gwen shags Owen knowing exactly how Tosh feels about him. Then when we hear what Gwen thinks of Tosh we find out Gwen pity's her. Gwen basically thinks Tosh is a lesser being then her. Then there is Ianto who she basically ignores until him and Jack start shaging. In the episode with Adam, Gwen basically says she loves Jack. The only person who isn't there to hear it is Rhys. So can someone please tell me how in the world is it that she is the heart of Torchwood! Because it seems to me that Ianto was the heart. After all he is the one that makes sure everything keeps going. He is also the one that takes care of everyone else. Yes he hide Lisa in the basement. But he did that to try and save her, because he loved her. Doing this real did show up Gwen though. Ianto was staying faithful to a cyber an girlfriend and Gwen couldn't even keep it in her pants.
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She complains about having to lie to Rhys when there's actually no need to do so beyond saying her work is top secret and she's not allowed to talk about it. She's incompetent as a police constable and even worse as a Torchwood agent (How does she not know how to hold a knife safely?) All she does by joining Torchwood is make it harder for them to do their job because she refuses to follow orders or listen to her more experienced colleagues. She's immature, arrogant, self-righteous, condescending, patronising, and a hypocrite. A spoiled little girl who expects to get her way in everything, then throws a tantrum when told 'No'. Anytime she's on screen I just want to shake her until her teeth rattle and tell her to grow up. Or, you know, shut her in a cell with Janet.
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You're right. Gwen was said to be the heart but never showed it. She showed lack of competency in the field when she threw the knife (because everyone else was goofing around - -speaks to her immaturity there as in she'd jump off a cliff then because others were?!?).
Compassion? I actually can't come up with an example of her showing any...and you'd think there'd be a least 1 little scene to reference, right?
She lied about the murder site she was at in the 1st episode and later the cannibals when she didn't have to! She questions people who had more experience than her and treated her co-workers like servants - there to serve her.
I hate it when show TELL us "here's the character you'll relate to" but show us someone we don't.
I agree with excentric397: "Thank goodness for fanfiction"
The flaws are either addressed as they come up or she's re-written better, more complexly. It's satisfying reading that she DOESN'T get away with the crap she pulled on the show.
I'll close this out. I could rant for awhile ^_^
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If anyone deserves to be the Heart of Torchwood, it would be either Ianto or Tosh. They're more sensitive and caring towards others. Gwen only cares about herself and has more compassion towards STRANGERS than her own teammates! If she's really the Heart of Torchwood, to show them how to be human, shouldn't it be the other way around? Compassion for teammates instead of outsiders that's gonna be Retcon most of the time anyway?
And she always makes mistakes! And the most unacceptable part is every time she makes mistakes, it's others who suffer for it while she gets out unscathed! How is that fair?!
She took a Retcon out of the Hub without authorization and drugged Rhys for her own personal and selfish gain but threw a tantrum when the team wanted to Retcon him when they only wanna do that because they were following RULES AND PROTOCOLS!
And with so many attractive characters in the show, almost all of the men throw themselves at her while others blend into the background. She's not even attractive! Beautiful and adorable big doe eyes?! Pleaseeeee~ Attractive big eyes are the ones like Tosh's or Ianto's or Martha's while Gwen's look so big and bulging like a frog or a cow and I'm surprise her eyeballs don't pop out of the sockets every time she widens them even for the slightest. And don't let me start on that froggy lips of her!
And remember what she said in the episode 4.07 Immortal Sins? She meant every word she said, she told Jack this. About while she mourns for their teammates, she also feels good about their deaths because the more people they lost the more it makes her feel stronger and important, that she's better than them, that she's special and a survivor.
Jack sacrificed his own grandson, earning his only daughter eternal hate, to save the world. And Gwen just brush it off, that while it's horrible it's something he could move on from and he should stay on Earth for HER. THe bitch!
But when the time comes and the world in danger again with Jack as the only possible conclusion to fix the problem, she doesn't want to make the same sacrifice. She was willing to throw Jack under the bus and let the world burn to get her daughter back. WHile it's understandable, how can that be fair?
She's always like that. Acting like her thoughts and opinions are the right way and everyone else is wrong. And when the shit hits the fan, she acts like the victim when she's the one who create the problem in the first place most of the time.
And out of everyone's suffering and sacrifices, she's the one who gets the happy ending! UUUUUURGHH!! I just can't stand her!! Why should Ianto and Tosh and Owen died, but she lives?! Why is it always the nice people that get screw over?!
Okay, I'm gonna stop now...I got carried away....Sorry...
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I agree that when things come to Gwen they are not fair. I do blame Jack for some of it. Jack should have fired her on multiple occasions. The rest of the blame I give to her parents. They must have never told her no. As for her unwillingness to actually put her life on the line, this is one of the many reasons Jack should have fired her.
I don't know anyone who thinks that she is attractive. The people I know who have stoped staring at Jack or Ianto long enough to notice say that is one of the reasons they like her.
It always okay to get cared away with insulting Gwen.
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And you're right. Jack also has a lot to answer to. He's the one bragging about 51st century pheromones and yet he's the one who fell under the thrall of another instead. His favoritism over Gwen is revolting, really. He's over a hundred years old! (the two thousand don't count since he was buried for the whole time) He should've been wiser than that!
The phrase "You don't now what you had until you lost it" has never been truer in Jack's case.
But then again, I kinda understand him.... I think he doesn't want to lose anyone before the time comes if he has any say in it. Living as an immortal is hard. Trying to push people away all his life because he's afraid of the pain of losing anyone is just impossible, especially for someone as social as him.
Maybe that's why he forgave Ianto about Lisa easily, he looked over Owen and Gwen's affair, he forgave Tosh about Mary, he forgave them all about their mutiny and betrayal about opening the rift and released Abbadon, and whole lot of other things. Though in Gwen's case, he went farther than anyone else. I bet in Torchwood protocols, all of that cases would end up with Retcon or bullet to the head for everyone in the team.
He forgave them a lot because he wants to have them as long as he could. Their lives are already a blip in time for him and he doesn't want to lose them so quickly.
Imagine if he really is The Face of Boe like initiated....he would live for billions of years and that's just....unimaginable. That's why it's hard for me to be angry at him. Gwen, on the other hand, is just a Ms Me-Me-Me. Fullstop.
Jack still should be wiser, though!
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I refused to watch Miracle day (won't call it season 4 because it wasn't Torchwood), and haven't watched anything by RTD since Children of Earth aired. (I was staying at my sister's house then, and I wouldn't let her watch it in my presence either :-)
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Well, I gotta admit that not watching Miracle Day isn't much of a loss, not at all~ xP
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So it wasn't that Gwen was in any way extraordinary. Quite the opposite - it was that she and her life were so utterly plain and ordinary that attracted him.
And Jack never actually gave her command of anything, let alone the team. His mistake was not manning up and telling her she was low man on the totem pole. Because seriously, if they were to decide hierarchy on experience, Ianto trumped the lot of them by surviving Canary Wharf. Gwen didn't even know how hold a gun when she joined Torchwood.
She also has no business blaming Torchwood or Jack for the lies she told Rhys. She was already a compulsive liar before she knew anything about Torchwood. When Rhys asked her if she'd been at the murder scene, she denied it. Why? There was no reason at all to lie about that. She didn't have to tell him what she'd seen.
Sigh. I could write a thesis on everything that's wrong with Gwen.
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Anyway, i´m reading so many fanfics SO well written, much better written than many stories of the show... Jack, Ianto, Tosh, Owen... are marvellous in them, and insist on that, they are very good stories.
So, don´t worry, there are many of us that Gwen don´t like at all. And years later, today, Jack and Ianto are much more popular in the fandom of the show (and Towen too)that Gwen.
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You make excellent, very true, often bemoaned by us allies, factual points. "Holier than thou" is indeed one of the most apt attributes of Gwennie ("sanctimonious" is my preferred synonym).
the only coworker she even remotely actually cares about is Jack
Yup, she cares to get in his pants. That and to have him worship her above all others - not that he already doesn't, in an example of truly poor judgement, coddle her way more than she deserves.
So can someone please tell me how in the world is it that she is the heart of Torchwood!
Main answer here is: RTD.
I wouldn't like to speculate who was "the true heart of Torchwood", though. For many fans, it sure was Ianto, but really, they are all, sans Gwennie, people of incredible heart and horrible scars as a consequence. Just think of their "origin stories"... Jack included. Gwen is the only one who's not connected to Torchwood by some personal sacrifice and tragedy.
*If I sound particularly snide this evening, I have just seen the true face of evil. As in, a person I follow on Tumblr reblogged a Gwen-love post. I almost threw up and unfollowed. (I didn't actually thow up, I came here instead, but I will probably unfollow that blogger soon.)
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http://irbisn.deviantart.com/art/Torchwood-series-4-en-187513743
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