I don't even have words...

[maxine-mirkwood.livejournal.com]

"I think they’ve really developed that character into a fantastic everyday hero. I don’t think that it would be right to take somebody like her out of the equation."

http://www.denofgeek.com/television/1229914/eve_myles_interview_future_of_torchwood_gwen_cooper_theatre_and_zach_braff.html

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[milady-dragon.livejournal.com]

And I just ate lunch...

[sandysan2013.livejournal.com]

No more of the "everyday hero" bollocks please! There is nothing everyday or ordinary about the way the Princess escaped unscathed from all assaults against Torchwood. Only supernatural forces, the likes of which only the demon RTD could assemble, have saved her from her true fate. Ordinary, everyday people don't walk away from the sorts of trauma she has confronted. They don't marry happily knowing their own selfish choices have led to the death of their DJ and the trauma of their other guests. They don't move happily on ignoring the dozens of deaths caused by their mistake on their first day at work. They don't put the world -- and their friends -- at risk just to save their own loved ones and end up with loving friends and no consequences of their selfishness. They don't imagine themselves better and more talented than their team mates who lost their lives in the line of duty and without the back up of folk as talented as they to save them. After all, Gwen had put herself back in charge while Jack was buried beneath Cardiff and they were being stalked by Grey. The deaths of Owen and Tosh were inevitable under the circumstances. They couldn't save themselves - they were busy trying to save the world.

Gwen always had the talent of others to save her. In the end there was no one left to save Ianto because the demon RTD had already decreed that no one, save Gwen, was safe from death. Even immortal Jack was subjected to risk and loss. Never Princess Gwen. No, not even in the dreaded MiracleWhip would Princess Gwen suffer. She lost a father who would always have died anyway. No more than the ordinary, everyday loss, particularly given the circumstance. No. No extraordinary trauma for our Princess.

Moreover, ordinary, everyday women are not married to men they disrespect almost all the time and who they cheat on actually and emotionally, virtually continuously, and still get to keep those marriages. No, they don't. Everyday, ordinary women would be long since divorced. Only a man under the spell of the demon RTD could continue to live peacefully with Gwen. No, ordinary, everyday people would be traumatized by even half these things and that trauma would be clear in their actions. They'd be haunted, not happy.

A believable everyday, ordinary hero or heroine would have some talent or character trait we could admire. Given her role as the "heart" of Torchwood, empathy would have been on the short list of desired traits. Maybe the demon's supply ran out; there was no empathy in Gwen, just an overflow of arrogance and self-righteousness.

Only a character spawned by the demon RTD could still exist and hope for longer life under these circumstances. Where, oh where is Torchwood 4 when you need them! There must be someone left who can take out the demon Gwen. The TV ratings couldn't do it apparently. Maybe this is a job for one of our brave fanfic writers, the only creatures still immune to the spell of the dreaded demon RTD:) Please save us...................

[kamiandcat.livejournal.com]

Yup, couldn't agree more. You might want to add Gwens womb of steal to the list. Her getting blown across Mermaid Quay and everything the followed and still being pregnant, I think that's almost an insult to every person out there who has every miscarried. And don't even get me started on the little human bullet vest with the cute little ear muffs....

[kamiandcat.livejournal.com]

*Points one post up*

Everybody should go and check the comments/likes over there, it gives you a very good picture how much people liked Miracle Day, CoE...or basically Torchwood after it was made the Gwen Cooper show...

[stlscape.livejournal.com]

Bwahahahaha!

[charie-caphine.livejournal.com]

Hahaha, that's amazing how many things are wrong with that sentence. "I think they’ve really developed (hands up who saw character development in Gwen who went from a sanctimonious yippy klutz to... same, only with a bazooka - oh, the bazooka was supposed to be taken as character development!) that character into a fantastic everyday (yes, Gwen the Everywoman: embodiment of all a random viewer is and strives to be) hero (because, like real heroes, she constantly sacrifices herself and her own interests to help others). I don’t think that it would be right to take somebody like her out of the equation (no comment here; I sleep and dream... Torchwood without Gwen! alas and if only)."

...Yeah, seems I always have lots to say about various life's petty annoyances - like Miss Cooper.

[neurwen.livejournal.com]

Amen to everything you all have said.

"I don’t think that it would be right to take somebody like her out of the equation". I wish, I just wish.

And if Gwen is our everyday hero... I think I will leave for another planet, one RTD's free.

[aviv-b.livejournal.com]

Character development - apparently this is Welsh-speak for SHOUTING EVEN MORE!

[syien_island]

Ugh, Miracle Whip just wasn't THE must-see show that I wanted to watch! Gwen Everyday Hero, my saggy-diaper butt. I'd rather watch endless episodes of Midsomer Murders in one sitting. Now that's writing!

[chryssalys]

I was pretty happy with the whole "Gwen gets shot in the face" idea myself.

[jennelldhalrbj.livejournal.com]

We appreciate our fans too much. And Russell appreciates his fans too much--

Just one of the weird comments in this interview. Dan and I read it together. Dan, who is straight to the point always, just laughed and said "she really is mentally challenged in some way, isn't she?"

I asked him what he meant and he said that this all sounded completely insane. He added that even her comments about plays and their length were idiotic. If you go to see a play in the West End you want value for money, because it's expensive. He then said Eve couldn't act which was bound to be a big drawback.

[mscatmoon.livejournal.com]

I've always had a low tolerance for stupidity, which is bad for me because there seems to be a lot more of it in the world today than there used to be. Standards are lower too, selfish liars and cheaters get ahead (like Gwen) while the selfless honest (Ianto/Tosh/Owen) get discarded and forgotten. I guess she is the kind of "fantastic everyday HERO" people want these days. For myself I can't even imagine considering someone a hero who is glad their fellow comrades-in-arms died because it makes them feel important. Even anti-heroes aren't that bad! (mainly because they don't pretend to be anything else). As for the character development of Gwen -- yeah, they finally gave her some. They made her worse than ever, and totally unredeemable in my eyes. She's the kind of person you really have to watch close, you can't trust them or their motives. While they pretend to be nice, they're just waiting to stab you in the back and steal what you rightly earned for themselves.

[kamiandcat.livejournal.com]

Haven't you read that interview with the Captain who watered his plane on the Hudson last year in which he said: "I really wished some of the passengers would have drowned, then I would feel even more important!" ???

Yup exactly the problem that has always been Gwen, she's written as a heartless self centered me-me-ME! bitch but Torchwoods TPTB clearly must smoke some weird stuff because in their world the outcome looks like the script for Mother Theresa:The Movie.

[weis07.livejournal.com]

Oh, our old girl Eve and her delusions...
Hero Gwen, not taken out of the equation, and creators showing appreciation for their fans?.. Oh my. There is nothing farther from true.
But really, modern heroine who needs others to die around her (doing their job and saving the world while she stomps and screems and poses) so that she could feel that she is better than them because they are dead and she is alive (by some miracle, no less)? What a sweet woman, what a stunning example of what hero shoud be.
And again - it's all about Gwen as if there is no one exept her - no Jack, his efforts and his losses, no previous team work and team' sacrifices...
Sweet delusions.

[stlscape.livejournal.com]

I did it straight out of drama school. I did four television jobs, then straight into the RSC. So I’ve done it for a long time, [snip] I also understand that you’re very popular one moment, and not the next. So I’m a stickler for good scripts.

Wait...According to Wikipedia, she graduated in 2000, so...twelve years is a long time in an acting career? And re the "good scripts" comment, apparently she didn't read any of the MD ones? (Of course, they probably weren't rewritten by RTD until the last minute, so she may not have had the opportunity.)

and Peter, the best director I’ve ever worked with,

Wait...Didn't she say that about Euros Lynn, too? ::handwaves:: Methinks she has the attention span of a goldfish when it comes to what she says.


And Russell appreciates his fans too much [snip] he’d do it as a thank you to everyone who supported us. I know that they mean the world to him.

Yeah, so much that he wants viewers, not fans, and fans should go watch something else...Although from what I saw in MD, that just might have been him telling his "fans" to piss off.

As a jobbing actor, I never get a script and go I can’t be bothered with this. Life doesn’t work like that. For a movie star, maybe, but for a jobbing actor, that doesn’t happen. [snip] I thought I’m not going to read a script that I may have an audition for on Monday. I’d rather go to the park with my daughter. I don’t have time for that.

So which is it? You can't be bothered because you feel like you're a movie star, or you're an actor who needs work?

Re MD: It went down sensationally well, better than we’d hoped.

So you expected it to do much worse than it did? That'll impress the bean counters and the suits, won't it?



Bah! I'd be more impressed with what she says if she wouldn't contradict herself so much. (Oh, and in one of these recent interviews she says she's "best friends" with JB. Funny. He doesn't talk much about his "best friend" Eve. Guess that's another example of me having one definition and Eve and Rusty having another. Y'know what? You can say you really enjoyed working with John without having to specify that he's your BFF. Of course, I might be more inclined to give credence to her words if I hadn't watched an interview with the two of them some time around MD (maybe it was an io9.com interview), where his body language screamed "I don't want to be near you. Don't touch me." ::snort:: Best friends? I don't think so.)

[blucougar.livejournal.com]

There are so many things I could say in response to this. I know this is not a forum to bash the actress - only the character - but Eve Myles needs to be made to understand that making foolish statements like these will only cause people to turn on her.

I also find it sad, though not surprising, that we now have proof that she has 100% bought into RTD's attitude that Gwen is the be-all and end-all of Torchwood, and that her character is indespensible. Oh, how I wish the reins would handed to Moffatt, and that the first thing he would do would be to kill off Gwen Cooper.

And as for the inane remark about how all stage shows should be no more than ninety minutes? Sorry, Eve. Your attention span might only last that long, but most theatre goers actually expect value for their money, and that includes a quality production that will go for an absolute minimum of two hours. I wonder what JB thinks of your opinion? Probably not a heck of a lot, given how much he loves being on the stage...

[kamiandcat.livejournal.com]

Never been to the stage in the UK, but here in Germany a play usually runs the whole evening and even has a break in the middle for people to get them fluids- or get rid of them.

I love the Moffatt idea. Or something like (after RTD fails to find another job and screws up that kiddie show he's coming up) the BBC goes: "Okay, a Torchwood movie then, BUT THERE HAVE TO BE CERTAIN CHANGES... we need that one guy back and that terrible Cooper women has to go...." .

[burningtorch.livejournal.com]

"I love the Moffatt idea. Or something like (after RTD fails to find another job and screws up that kiddie show he's coming up) the BBC goes: "Okay, a Torchwood movie then, BUT THERE HAVE TO BE CERTAIN CHANGES... we need that one guy back and that terrible Cooper women has to go...." ."

XD That made my day!

I third the Moffat suggestion, he's worked wonders with Doctor Who; indeed I said to a dear friend on another forum "Don't knock Doctor Who too much, it's alright now that Russell T Davies has nothing to do with it. (I know that sounds like a dig, but if he doesn't feel the need to spare the feelings of others, then [shrugs] the truth hurts, Russell.) "

[kamiandcat.livejournal.com]

I loved the 9th Doctor and I liked the early 10th, but in the end I was glad that Moffat took over, the last few episodes with 10 in which he went all angsty and dark were terrible and almost made me quit the show. And reminds me a lot of what he did to Jack btw. If 11 would have been produced by RTD I would have been out.

[ruby-took.livejournal.com]

And as for the inane remark about how all stage shows should be no more than ninety minutes?

Yeah, I don't really know who she thought she'd impress with that. I mean, I go to the theatre quite a lot, and I've never found myself in a situation where I've felt like "This is really great, but I wish it'd finished an hour ago" - quite the contrary, really. Now, if a play is bad, well, that's another thing. But then the desire for it to end sooner doesn't really have anything to do with the length of it...

[raynewton.livejournal.com]

Hero? I'm sure she's a vey nice woman, but she's seriously delusional

[burningtorch.livejournal.com]

"She lives, especially from when Ianto died, in complete guilt."

[Scratches chin] Erm... Really? What part of that ties into Gwen's comment to the effect of 'I felt special because everyone else died'? Is this the same actress, or did some other b****r called Eve Myles act in Torchwood?

I'm sorry, you can't see the [Epic Eyeroll] in print, but my head moved with it, I can, however, put down the accompanying [Tut].