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kassy2.livejournal.com posting in antigwenallies Dec. 16th, 2011 07:41 pm)Came second in the SFX "worst failure of 2011" contest....
I shudder to think that there had to have been something <i> worse</i>!!!
I shudder to think that there had to have been something <i> worse</i>!!!
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http://www.sfx.co.uk/2011/12/15/top-10-sci-fi-epic-fails-of-2011/9/
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This would have been a very different take on the character, almost too stupidly gimmicky and too smart-arsedly post-modern to summarise. As well as her usual Diana Prince alter ego, Wonder Woman also had a third guise and a day job as Diana Themyscira, the head of Themyscira industries. In the show’s universe, it would have been public knowledge that Themyscira and Wonder Woman are the same – think Tony Stark and Iron Man in the second film – while Diana Prince is still a secret alter ego to both. Apparently, it would have been all about the traumas of being a “modern woman”, trying to balance home life and work, with a lot of goofy comedy.
Sounds like pretty much the only thing that could have made it worse would have been Gwen Wonder Woman Cooper.
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Yes, folks, it was beaten by something that was so bad it was never aired!
Go and read the whole thing- basically, SFX, who have been down like a ton of bricks on all the SIJers, telling them (us) to get over it and it was sheer genius, etc, have finally had to pan something RTD has written. They did their level best not to, they had to be dragged kicking and screaming but the sheer mass of their readers groaning and telling them just how bad MD was, has finally become so loud that they could not ignore it!!
SFX, for those who are not aware, is the lead magazine that publishes with it's head stuck so far up RTD's backside that the only thing they can actually see is After Elton, which is up there with them!!
I stopped buying the magazine because of their blinkered, biased attitude and their unnecessary comments.
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http://www.sfx.co.uk/2011/12/15/top-10-sci-fi-epic-fails-of-2011/9/
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I just hope that they'll finally FINALLY realize that the people complaining about certain things like CoE (no not all of them hated it because of Ianto's dead), like Gwen (no not all of us are just jealous because we ship Janto, there are actually REASONS to hate Gwen right there in the middle of canon Torchwood), like killing off Ianto (because the stupid, stupid way they did it made me, a SIJser, probably even more angry then the fact that they did it in the first place). All the time people disagreeing with certain things in TW have been reduced to "hysterical women who can't take drama and are too stupid to understand a plot", well, suddenly all over the place people seem to lose their pink glasses and begin to realize that what covered them and gave the world a nice color was actually sh!t. I think that's the real reason why I can't shed a tear for TW anymore, finally, finally I'm no longer insulted.
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You know what. I haven't decided yet of I should be amazed or just sad but I think Torchwood is the first show ever that it going down the drain at rapid speed and not one fans seems to care, after MD all I see everywhere is schadenfreude.
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JB was on the Chris Moyles Quiz Show the other day (repeated tonight) and when asked about Torchwood and Doctor Who he said he didn't want to talk about either of them...lol
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JB doesn't want to talk about Torchwood OR Dr. Who anymore. Something must've gotten his panties in a twist. The guy's always been full of chatter about either subject. So, did someone pull on the reigns again or is he genuinely unhappy with what's been going on?
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OK, back on track. JB would never ever say if he was unhappy with something in a show he was in, he has stated on a number of occasions that he does what he is told to do and that is all. I think this is why CoE was so very strange in places- JB was just doing the script while GDL was desperately trying to get at least his character back on course. Shame, really, but JB just does not have the "depth" that makes a really good actor, IMO. Some of the best bits in TW were when the cast had obviously added bits that had been allowed to stay, or stretched their characters to the extreme. JB did none of this, mostly it was GDL, occasionally NM, never, that I can remember, EM.
If JB does not want to talk about DW or TW that means he has nothing to say, nothing is happening. I am pretty sure that SM has effectively replaced Jack, with River, so he has no need of Jack in DW- I am also sure the universe will implode if they meet, but would still LOVE to see it.
I am hoping against hop that RTD is not allowed anywhere near the 50 anniversary edition, but I just KNOW they are stupid enough to ask him to do it.
ARGH!!!
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What suprises me is that JB has absolutely NOTHING to say. Usually he says some vague stuff or what he'd like to happen, but now he doesn't want to talk at all...
I don't know, based on his earlier behaviour, this seems like a strange move.
I agree with you on JB and have mentioned it here before. If that guy would put in the extra mile, he'd be phenomonal, but alas...
It's true River = Jack and I reckon Steven Moffat wants to make his own way and for that reason alone, he'll stay well away from RTD and friends. I'd rather keep Jack away from dr. Who, they'd have to retcon a lot of character development from him, to ignore Ianto's death completely just for a Jack/John moment 2.0, it doesn't seem worth it.
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I have seen native English speakers make the same mistake.
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Om toch nog eventjes uit te sloven zet ik een klein stukje in mijn eigen taal. Gewoon omdat het kan!
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Ik koester mijn herinneringen aan een bezoek aan Den Haag
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With COE I agree that JB wasn't at his best, but you have to admit that everyone was too OOC in that "Season" I have a feeling (Opinion) that he knew the ending and didn't like seeing where the story was going.
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And yes I think Barrowman's "I only do what TPTB ask me " attitude is to blame at least a bit for that. There was a time when he could have said: Stop. Not with me. Back in the days when Torchwood wasn't 100% Gwenwood and Jack was still officially the leading character.
What I'll never understand though is why he did it again with Miracle Crap. In his book it is pretty clear that John hated some things about CoE, why wasn't that his wake up call?
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I actively avoid every show he is on now (not that I could ever abide "Tonights the Night" Just not my thing- but it is other peoples, so that's OK ) but I used to enjoy it when he larked around on the Paul O'Grady show and the likes of that. Not any more. Knowing it is all hollow, just like the man, glitter on the outside and nothing inside, has killed it for me.
I know it is silly, and I know I am over reacting, but RTD has an awful lot to answer for, he is truly the Grinch for me, only, since this is not Dr Seuss (how I love that man, he helped me teach countless children to read) there is no happy ending.
And yes, I know this is harsh, but it is my opinion alone, not trying to start a "bash JB" fest, and, anyway, he has loads of loyal fans now, who will follow him for his singing alone.
I guess I feel betrayed even more because he is gay and was set up as a champion of the cause. Since he has lied to me about one set of things, it is very likely he has lied on other counts, too.
I just cannot bear to look at him, I feel as if I have lost a friend.
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He COULD have just said "I'm not at liberty to say that." or "Spoilers!" but he didn't. He actively lied about those things. I can hardly believe that they ordered him to do that.
On principle, I don't believe the 'character' actors put up for public view. I don't know those people, I can't judge them on those few interviews they've given or their appearances for those events. It's part of their job to handle these kind of things.
Your reaction is a perfect example of how much he's hurt his own carreer by acting the way he did.
In the end, the roles he takes and the way he deals with his fans are going to determine his future succes, at least partly. When he said "I'm going to stick with Torchwood, even though it's not quality work anymore" he was basically digging his own grave. Because that series is STILL on his resumé and it's going to stay there. If he'd taken a chance and picked a different role in a different series/movie then he would've had the opportunity to grow as an actor.
Sasha Alexander from NCIS showed that it's wholly possible to leave a show if you're not happy with it.
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I wonder if he has finally noticed what a "good job" he did himself with not only taking the role in Miracle Crap but also with, once again, leading on the fans with "it will all be brilliant and wonderful and bigger and better", Barrowman being quite about something is weird. After all we're talking about the guy who sang a song dedicated to Gwen on one of his 2010 concerts (and got buh-ed for that by the audience :P ).
What amazes me the most about Miracle Day is that I expected to hate it, but I would have never imagined that it would be so easy to find things to "bitch" about it. I really, really expected Aston Kutscher to jump out of the Muff of Immortality at the very end screaming: punked! And the whole thing to turn out as some kind of experimental show about how bad can you make a show and still air it.
And I only watched bits of it, how on earth can anyone being involved believe that it would be blood brilliant and the best thing since chocolate. Just look at Pullmann who basically shut up about Miracle Crap even before the show was wrapped. That's at least professional handling of the un-professional decision to take the role of Oswald.
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With a new "series" (THREE episodes??? Beeb , Moff and Gatty- COME ON, guys, what the hell is going on???) of Sherlock about to air I think someone has knocked four times on the Torchwood door!
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When you're watching a Sherlock episode, you're watching an intriguing story with spot-on continuity and at least one solved mystery per episode. I don't expect anything less than perfection from them, specifically because there are only three eps. When you have 23 episodes per season like Fringe, I'm willing to let some small unresolved plotlines slide.
Maybe 'series' is the wrong term for those Sherlock episodes, it's more like a miniseries with several seasons.
XD egh, I get way to defensive about that 'series', I just feel that it more than makes up for the shortness.
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The acting at all levels is beyond comparison, (I am sorry to say that as I think some of the TW actors showed real promise,but the Sherlock crew are already there) Gatty and Moff obviously have a game plan (ie they know exactly where they want the show to go, as opposed to making it up as they go along, forgetting what they have done last week and changing "canon" from episode to episode.
In all, Sherlock is a well acted, well written, true Drama- we do not have to be patronised by it's writers (in fact they challenge us to keep up, constantly) We do not need to be belittled by them, or told we need to grow up and cannot appreciate their "brilliantness".
They write for adults and they expect their (adult) audience to be able to understand what they are saying.
They also do not need to add subtitles in order to point out that it is real drama, all the time.
In short, Gatty and Moff are not RTD>