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So Eve Myles got nominated for an award. Now I really shouldn't judge because I couldn't be bothered to watch Miracle something or another, but my first reaction to the news was much like Michael Bluth's reaction to Anne: "Her?" Of course, my reaction merely reflected the sadness I felt because the nominations for Myles and Torchwood seem to validate the series that should never be spoken of again.
Ultimately, I wondered why Anna Torv didn't get nominated instead, especially since she had to play five different versions of her character, and because that wasn't enough, she had to impersonate Leonard Nimoy for three episodes, which she did remarkable well. But what it all boils down to is that while Eve Myles is a good actress, Torv has the greater challenge in having to play the fully realized, very complicated Olivia Dunham.
While RTD believes that a writer should not "rape Snow White," Olivia survived an abusive childhood. During that childhood, she endured trials for an experimental drug that relied on fear to work. Her lover was killed, and when his memories were implanted in her brain, she found out that he was keeping secrets from her. She survived being propelled through the windshield of her SUV, and that was right after she made a trip to an alternate universe. She killed the shapeshifter who had assumed the identity of her dead partner. The man she loves unwittingly slept with her doppleganger from another universe; this occurred while she had been kidnapped and almost had her brain removed. There's more to the kidnapping story, but it involves a whole lot of crazy shit she had to endure. Clearly, Olivia isn't being treated with kid gloves, while Gwen... well, she's lived through some horrible losses, but the idea that she should be treated like a Disney princess implies that she's too fragile to deal with the really heavy stuff. But you know, all the crap that Olivia has been through makes her an interesting character because it colors how she proceeds with a case. She's not just blindly going forward because of some notion about the way the world works. She's always thinking and processing, and you can see that on Torv's face.
And goodness, Torv is so good when Olivia is vulnerable. Sure she's had to do these big emotional scenes, but she has this quiet, understated way of expressing pain and loneliness. It's not about emotion that can't be contained and therefore spews everywhere. It more about all of these feeling that are just seeping through the cracks no matter how reserved she's trying to be. Torv is such a nuanced actress (no bug eyes in sight), and I connect with her completely.
Olivia sometimes questions her boss, but she isn't going to scream to get her way. In a scene in "One Night in October," she pulls her boss out of a meeting so she could explain her misgivings about a case in private. She had to go through with things her boss's way, but she understood the chain of command and acted accordingly. However, in other episodes, we've seen that her boss also trusts her enough to let her do things her way when he feels that she is right. It's kind of nice to see characters have a mature relationship onscreen based on trust and experience rather than the tired back and forth we see between Jack and Gwen. Maybe it's just me, but yelling doesn't always mean good drama, and more often than not it makes me uncomfortable and lose empathy for the characters.
Really, I shouldn't compare Myles to Torv since I haven't watched Miracle Whatever. I suppose this is my knee jerk reaction to this nomination which mirrors one of my criticisms of the show: why is it always about the flashy characters? But perhaps I should be happy that an actress from a sci-fi show was recognized at all. Maybe Eve did get a richer character to play this time around. I don't know, but Gwen lost my interest a long time ago. Olivia had me at hello and continues to fascinate me. She is my strong female character. She is my Wonder Woman.
Of course, if Eve is nominated for an Emmy and Torv isn't, I may lose my shit.
Ultimately, I wondered why Anna Torv didn't get nominated instead, especially since she had to play five different versions of her character, and because that wasn't enough, she had to impersonate Leonard Nimoy for three episodes, which she did remarkable well. But what it all boils down to is that while Eve Myles is a good actress, Torv has the greater challenge in having to play the fully realized, very complicated Olivia Dunham.
While RTD believes that a writer should not "rape Snow White," Olivia survived an abusive childhood. During that childhood, she endured trials for an experimental drug that relied on fear to work. Her lover was killed, and when his memories were implanted in her brain, she found out that he was keeping secrets from her. She survived being propelled through the windshield of her SUV, and that was right after she made a trip to an alternate universe. She killed the shapeshifter who had assumed the identity of her dead partner. The man she loves unwittingly slept with her doppleganger from another universe; this occurred while she had been kidnapped and almost had her brain removed. There's more to the kidnapping story, but it involves a whole lot of crazy shit she had to endure. Clearly, Olivia isn't being treated with kid gloves, while Gwen... well, she's lived through some horrible losses, but the idea that she should be treated like a Disney princess implies that she's too fragile to deal with the really heavy stuff. But you know, all the crap that Olivia has been through makes her an interesting character because it colors how she proceeds with a case. She's not just blindly going forward because of some notion about the way the world works. She's always thinking and processing, and you can see that on Torv's face.
And goodness, Torv is so good when Olivia is vulnerable. Sure she's had to do these big emotional scenes, but she has this quiet, understated way of expressing pain and loneliness. It's not about emotion that can't be contained and therefore spews everywhere. It more about all of these feeling that are just seeping through the cracks no matter how reserved she's trying to be. Torv is such a nuanced actress (no bug eyes in sight), and I connect with her completely.
Olivia sometimes questions her boss, but she isn't going to scream to get her way. In a scene in "One Night in October," she pulls her boss out of a meeting so she could explain her misgivings about a case in private. She had to go through with things her boss's way, but she understood the chain of command and acted accordingly. However, in other episodes, we've seen that her boss also trusts her enough to let her do things her way when he feels that she is right. It's kind of nice to see characters have a mature relationship onscreen based on trust and experience rather than the tired back and forth we see between Jack and Gwen. Maybe it's just me, but yelling doesn't always mean good drama, and more often than not it makes me uncomfortable and lose empathy for the characters.
Really, I shouldn't compare Myles to Torv since I haven't watched Miracle Whatever. I suppose this is my knee jerk reaction to this nomination which mirrors one of my criticisms of the show: why is it always about the flashy characters? But perhaps I should be happy that an actress from a sci-fi show was recognized at all. Maybe Eve did get a richer character to play this time around. I don't know, but Gwen lost my interest a long time ago. Olivia had me at hello and continues to fascinate me. She is my strong female character. She is my Wonder Woman.
Of course, if Eve is nominated for an Emmy and Torv isn't, I may lose my shit.
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Me thinks the nominees were picked random and without much care at all. Clearly they have no idea about the latest version of Torchwood, that it was a co-production in which Starz was the major partner and that it was basically independent from the original show. I doubt the person (group?) who selected the the nominees saw a single episode.
And I guess the Emmis are safe. The have a name they could lose and I doubt they'll risk it over the pile of crap Miracle Shit was.
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They appreciate the people who help them too. My co-worker routinely provides some research info for each episode, and as a thank you to him (we're not allowed to accept gifts), they found an old station wagon that was the same model as the car he learned to drive on, and put that in the show. (I don't watch Fringe, but I think it's driven/was driven by one of the main characters.) It's a little thing, but it took some effort on their part when they didn't have to do anything at all.
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Eve Myles on the other hand... well, if bulging your eyes out, shouting and over-gesticulating could pass for "acting", then I assume she could qualify as an "actress".
Also, where are Sean Bean, Michelle Fairley, John Noble, etc...
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John Noble ♥ I marvel at the way he can go from completely hilarious one moment to totally heartbreaking in the next.
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Anna Torv is a goddess compared to Eve Myles and Olivia is everything Gwen will never be. Anyone who disagrees I challenge to watch the Fringe episode "6B" (season 3, episode 14) right next to "adrift".
Gwen pushes a civilian into classified territory, disregards any consequenes, Ignores everything her boss says and in the end, saves no-one and hurts almost everyone.
Olivia talks to the civ's about their connection to their loved ones, Follows orders, saves the day and helps the victims move on with their lives.
And then I'm not even talking about the skills both actresses have displayed...which have been thoroughly mentioned here before. Eve can't even make ONE character look real. Anna does about five!
The Emmy's have already been awarded on 18 september, roughly 9 days after the last episode of MD , Julliane Marquis won or best Drama actress and Peter Dinklage won best supportive actor(So, that's where the GoT actors go, to the real awards!)
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I love "6B." We got to see so many sides of Olivia. She got to be awesome and in charge, yet totally scared of her feelings for Peter. It was a glorious episode for Anna Torv.
I adore Olivia's relationship with Broyles. I love that she had to work to earn his respect, and once she had it, it became unconditional. There are no games, no doe eyes. They get to be adults, whereas Gwen often behaves like a bratty sixteen year-old. I get that Torchwood has a relaxed structure, but Gwen's lack of professionalism is disconcerting.
Side note: I'd love to see Gwen try to call Olivia sweetheart. Peter knows that is not the way to go. Actually, I think that everyone on the team would not appreciate the pet names. Well, maybe Walter might, but only because he'd make up sillier names for Gwen.
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But I DID sit through 10 hours of TW (10 hrs of life lost) and can assure you theat EM wasn't given any better material than in the first 2 series; in fact it was much, much worse. The entire script pandered to Gwen's super skills and 'bad ass' persona, giving much opportunity for wide bulging eyes, screechy shouting, improbable action scenes, Gwen being her usual unpleasant self ("...when people died it mademe feel important. I loved it..." or whatever), selfish moaning about her 'famerlee'- the usual stuff. It wasn't going to win anyone any BAFTAs. So I can only conclude that these awards aren't quite up to those standards. It wasn't even entertaining tosh- it was just crap tosh (no insult to Tosh, with a capital T, of course).
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It's the screechy shouting that never fails to irk me and the bulging eyes. It's all so over the top, but the character is written that way because Gwen is supposed to feel so much, more than anyone else in the world.
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We are not supposed to knock EM here so I shall not, beyond stating that, IMO, she does not deserve to be on the list at all.
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I think this nomination came because RTD (and probably BBCWW, which is partially run by one of Rusty's minion) sponsored her, just like he usually does; and because someone shred some money.
I totally agree with you all about Anna Torv.
BTW this probably is the only useless, unknown and minor award TW and EM could have been nominated to.
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Good point. Anna Torv even pointed out that she learned from John Noble and Joshua Jackson that the little things actors do in between the lines are just as important as the lines themselves. That's what GDL did so well. It was those little looks that he'd give the other characters that made him so appealing. It was the way he ate that grape in Combat that gave his line such great pop. And it all looked so effortless.
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John Barrowman is very good when he is working with actors who can outbalance his over top way (because Jack needs to be like that), but I can't really remember a scene in which that worked for Eve, too. No idea if that's her fault, because she thinks shes already perfect or if it came from RTD who obviously thinks she IS perfect.
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