It's not just the cwazee fangirls...

[mercury-pheonix.livejournal.com]

Y'know how its been said that the people who didn't like MD are the fans of the older series, the Ianto fans, who couldn't deal with the change and threw their toys out of the pram?

Well, yesterday I moved in with my housemate for university this year. He's a bit of a telvision afficionado, has never been a hardcore fan but has a couple thousand DVDs, most of which are television shows. He's also the ex-president of out LGBT society and, as such, as really wised up on his lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender media. But he'd never seen Torchwood. However, when I moved in, he told me that, at the beginning of the summer, he'd started watching it. He'd watched all three series online before MD started, and then caught MD on the television. His verdict on Torchwood in general?

He really liked it. He thought the gay/bisexual stuff was overhyped because there really actually was hardly anything there at all (come on, Jack and Ianto kissed, what, five times, one of which Ianto was unconscious), thought it was just advertiser going nuts because there was a ton more explicit straight stuff than gay stuff. I did show him the deleted scene from 'Meat', and he adored it (especially when I told him the grope was improvised and GDL hadn't been expecting it) and we had a rant about the fact that it was cut from the show.

But, otherwise, he really, really liked it.

But the fourth series was shit (his words not mine)

Apparently, he was iffy about the third series because it lost some of its 'Torchwoodiness', the feel of the show that he'd become addicted to whilst watching the first two series back to back, and moving on straight to the third series he found it to be slightly odd. But it was okay. But Miracle Day, says he, was just complete shit - it didn't feel right, it didn't make sense, it wasn't engaging, they screwed up what could have been a really interesting premise...oh, and he thought Super!Gwen was just crap. He doesn't dislike Gwen, but he thought Miracle Day just turned her into an action hero, and it was pathetically out of character.

And he, as a gay man and activist, didn't even mention the gay sex scenes in MD when talking about it with me. So clearly they had a lot of impact and made the show as 'edgy' and 'controversial' as Starz intended.

And this is one of those 'new fans' that Starz and RTD were so keen on...

Comments

[irishjantogirl.livejournal.com]

I love hearing about people like this; it's another jab against them

[dr-doomsduck.livejournal.com]

I like hearing that your housemate thinks that the whole sexuality thing was overhyped, because if you heard some of the folks talk about how RTD brought homosexuality to TV with Torchwood, you'd think he was a revolutionary.

Either way, I'm curious, How did he perceive some of the 'gay jokes' that did not have me laughing in MD?

Other than that, There are so many people calling MD shit, It can't just be the Nine Hysterical Women club anymore. If that isn't convincing, than at least the ratings are. Those were not exactly spectacular either.

[littleatem.livejournal.com]

It isn't the Nine Hysterical Women club any more, it is now the Nine Thousand Hysterical Human's club. I just hope Starz doesn't try to push for a season 5, that would be career suicide.

[kassy2.livejournal.com]

Humans and other animals- I suspect there is an Orang Utan in the back row somewhere.......

[kamiandcat.livejournal.com]

I met a guy on a totally different forum during the early days of Miracle Crap and then, chatting, found out that he's a huge Doctor Who and Jack fan. He saw not all, but most. of classic Torchwood and loved Children of Earth (I was preparing to run at that point...) but *drumroll* he absolutely hated Miracle Crap. He stopped watching after Episode 3. When Episode 9 (I think) came around and the people I know were watching, told me that it was very Jack centered, I told him I might want to watch at least that single one. Later he told me I had to pay him back 1 hour of his life. LOL. He really, really, really hopes Torchwood stays dead now btw... or as his exact words were: "If the manage to bring it back after THAT I'll have Barrowman tattooed onto my backside."

[wanda1969.livejournal.com]

Yat another MD dissenter- I've yet to find anyone who likes it apart from on the Digital Spy forum where they post threads such as "What do YOU think of TW4?" And if you actually tell them (as articulately as you can) just why, they hound you off the forum!
Mr wanda1969's views have been repeated on here: after episode 1he stated that "...next Thursday I intend to be cutting my toenails or poking sticks in my eyes instead." He fell asleep during the ep 10 finale. I fell asleep during several of the episodes.
I've been buying/reading the Radio Times my whole life. This week's is the first edition since the MD finale aired on BBC, so I flipped to the Letters page to have a look at viewer reaction... not ONE letter either way! Which is REALLY odd- this was a flagship 9pm sci-fi show on BBC1. Either most viewers gave up, or RT couldn't be bothered publishing their letters; and if the letters were complimentary why not publish??
Come to think about it, they've only published 3 letters throughout the entire run: 2 stating that the viewers would prefer a return to 'classic TW', and one taking the piss out of the overacting. Not an unqualified success to me.

[sarahjane6.livejournal.com]

Thanks for sharing. I was especially interested to hear of his opinion since he wasn't watching from the start of the first series. His perceptive is fresh and honest and yes I bet this is just not what the BBC and Starz wants to hear, MD was crap. Sadly, I don't feel there is any going back to the Torchwood 1 & 2 better days.