Cyberwoman

[msjaybee.livejournal.com]

I had a thought the other day while rewatching Cyberwoman.  Now think about it.  Gwen is arrogant, convinced of her own superiority, always in the right, stubbornly single-minded, like, well, a Cyberwoman!  Now I think that Gwen's time in the conversion unit had more of an impact than we thought.  She was changed.  Made less human.  In fact, she became part Cyberwoman!

Actually, that episode in series 1 should have been called Cyberwomen!

Comments

[bk_forever]

That explains a lot! No wonder she's so indestructible!

[charie-caphine.livejournal.com]

Great idea, but probably doesn't work in canon very well: Gwen's personality was already made fairly clear in the first three episodes before Cyberwoman.

[satanassa.livejournal.com]

Yeah, she was already haranguing the others about not caring for Carys in 'Day One'.

[charie-caphine.livejournal.com]

And treating Andy with no respect, and lying to Rhys for no reason, and behaving carelessly - simply out of spite, no less - at a dangerous excavation site, and physically attacking a new collegue for making a (rather deserved) snide remark, and pushing alien artifact buttons with no clue what they'd do... and there's likely more.

[irishjantogirl.livejournal.com]

interesting idea, that could be worth a fic in its own right :)

[wiseheart.livejournal.com]

You just had to put the mental image of Gwen in that metal bikini into my head, hadn't you? Now I'm scarred for life!

Speaking of which, I'm still a bit baffled by the metal bikini. What was the purpose? (Aside from the sex toy aspect, that is.) If she was half-converted, she should have some unisex metal shield covering half her torso, and they still could have showed her belly button for teh sexxxxorrrrs...

[charie-caphine.livejournal.com]

I'm still a bit baffled by the metal bikini. What was the purpose?

I think it better not to wonder. =) Seems to me there was no higher concept involved than 'teh sexxxxorrrrs'.

[wiseheart.livejournal.com]

Yeah, cos Cybermen are so interested in teh sexxxxorrrrs that they specifically made for Lisa that metal bikini.

OTOH, the upper part could have worked as a lethal weapon. Which would have given the term "femme fatale" a whole new meaning, yes?

[satanassa.livejournal.com]

I'll tell you -- I had the misfortune to catch a 'behind the scenes' with Rusticle for this episode and he said that his intention was to appeal to hormonal young males and enable the sale of BBC tie-in posters and figurines of Cyberwoman. Yeah, that worked out so well!

[wiseheart.livejournal.com]

Well, I must admit that I'm not surprised.

[kamiandcat.livejournal.com]

Already told you how much I love that idea...und I REALLY think you should write that fanfic. ;)

[littleatem.livejournal.com]

Yes. Please make this a fanfic, this would explain why Gwen 'ended up on' Lisa's conversion table. Lisa wanted to upgrade the original cyber first before going after the pure humans.

[wiseheart.livejournal.com]

Sounds logical. In Gwen's case, it would have been a massive update indeed. At least cyberised she'd have learned to follow orders.

[z107m.livejournal.com]

Nah, having Gwen converted into a Cyberwoman is too much of a compliment to her. Re-watching the episode, I was super impressed by Tosh, especially when she tried to speak up for Ianto when Jack sent him to finish off Lisa. Gwen, on the other hand, was the only member of the team who couldn't meet his eyes after the execution and turned away even though she joined the others in shooting Lisa/pizza girl. Ah, the avoidance of responsibility, even then.

[kamiandcat.livejournal.com]

Oh just went back and checked and I really never noticed it. Not only what you mean but in the cut to her a few seconds earlier she's clearly smiling. WTF?

[dr-doomsduck.livejournal.com]

Well, that settles it, Gwen is an evil overlord who planned the whole thing and was laughing because her plans were working.

[jsks.livejournal.com]

i will have to go back and rewatch that episode and look for that.
cyberwoman increased my love for tosh and my dislke for gwen(not that in needed help) because it showed tosh as having the heart that gwen only pretends to have.
as for the cyberbikini should have a been a tip of about rusty's thoughts about sci fi and 'serious drama'.

[kamiandcat.livejournal.com]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imkBV0MpQEQ&feature=related about 3 mins in.

[kassy2.livejournal.com]

I had not watched any of this for ages, so thanks for the link. TBH I had totally blanked all the Gwen parts during the first watching, but seeing again I honestly do not think she was smiling, I think, (and I know we are not supposed to knock the actor but I do think this comment is relevant) that it was just extremely weak acting. BG is in his element, NM is a little outside her comfort zone but still experienced enough to hold her own, JB is actually quite strong in these scenes, maybe it is because most of it is in close up- I really think they should have given him a bigger gun- maybe a Navy Colt, that one looks silly, always has, as JB has such big hands- and GDL is in his element being EmoIanto, but the last scene, in the office, I had completely forgotten. Weak, weak supporting acting, and JB doing well- I am the first to criticise him so I have to be fair, - it was stupid- you can see, in hindsight, how RTD kept interfering with the writing and trying to get Gwen back in centre stage, in spite of the fact that she quite clearly did not fit.