Miracle Whip Finale?

[pitac89.livejournal.com]

Has the Finale come yet? And if so, what happened?

Comments

[slns7552.livejournal.com]

I didn't see it but someone on jackxianto wrote a scathing thing on it. It appears Rex did not only live but is now immortal as well. I don't know how they would know that though unless he was again killed. Apparently, he had rubbed some of Jack's blood into his wound (utterly gross!) and now he's supposedly like Jack.

[pitac89.livejournal.com]

So immortality is a disease communicaple by exchange of bodily fluids? Shouldn't Ianto have caught it then?

[aviv-b.livejournal.com]

Gwen lives. Her big sacrifice is knowing that if she is successful reversing things dear old dad will die. HE WAS ALREADY DEAD AND YOU AREN'T 'DOING' ANYTHING. As far as I know she never thinks of all the others who will die, have been burned etc. As always it's all about Gwen.

Yes - Rex becomes immortal. Now he and Jack can go skipping through the meadows together for eternity. You know - that's actually kind of fitting in a twisted sort of way. Kind of a hell on earth forever for both of them. And to what end? There is some speculation that if the show continues it will be Rex and Gwen in the US with no Jack. Or this was a middle finger to Ianto fams. Cause dead is dead, except when its not. Whatever.

Of course, this pays lie to the Doctor's 'you're a fixed point in time,' speech. Also, how come Alice and Stephen weren't immortal? And if you have to have contact with Jack's blood to gain immortality, I'm pretty sure Owen as well as Ianto had contact with Jack's blood at some point.

Pedo Oswald ties explosives to himself, and jumps into the vag of doom or something, yawn. Like if everything reversed he wouldn't die anyway? Was there a point to him being in this?

Shapiro was getting too smart for his own good (smarter than Gwen anyway) so of course he gets a case of terminal stupidity and gets killed by the CIA mole.

Esther dies. No loss there.

Jilly runs off with the Family. Who they are exactly and what they really want isn't clear. I guess that should be good for another half dozen episodes - but I can't imagine anyone cares much.

Oh - and all those people who die, and the big government conspiracy, just like CoE, the story just ends without a hint at what happens after, which IMHO, is probably the more interesting part of the story. And trust me, if there is any more TW, it'll be another concept show with all the good, competent characters wearing red shirts and the government will be evil and it will be craptastic and it will have nothing to do with MD. Except Gwen may tap a picture of the magic vag.

The best review of episode 10 is here at After Elton: http://www.afterelton.com/tv/torchwood-miracle-day-recap-111

[pitac89.livejournal.com]

Yeah, still trying to figure the magic vagina thing.

*sigh* I really needed some happy news too. against my better judgement I watched one of the 9/11 programs that was on tonight, even though I knew how it would make me feel. At least most of the comments on AfterElton are mostly AntiMiracle Day/Anti-Gwen. That makes me feel a little better I guess.

Maybe I should break out my copy of Twilight Streets to re-read. A meaningful death for Ianto and proof that Jack really loved him. Screw CoE and Miracle Whip. That's my head canon.

[syien_island]

*yawn yawn yawn* Did anyone see "The Girl Who Waited" ?

[dr-doomsduck.livejournal.com]

Yes!!! Amy is a BAMF in so many ways that Gwen will never be ( I mean talk about character development)and that was a Who story like it should be, all timey wimey, theories, logics and awesomeness!

Also, that Katana! I was fangirling so hard over it! Actually I was 'girling over the entire episode. That ep is exactly why I have a big girlycrush on Amy. Get me a spoilerfree environment and I'll squee and theorize it further with you!

Rory is a big damn hero and their love be true!

[blucougar.livejournal.com]

I just finished watching the finale, and I have to confess that I was kind of relieved by certain aspects.

MAJOR SPOILERS:

Firstly, it was what most suspected - that Jack basically had to die in order to reset the world and end the miracle. The catch was that his blood, as the only mortal blood on the planet, had to be sent into the Giant Vagina.... sorry, The Blessing at the same moment from both sides of the world. That was the real reason they needed stores of Jack's blood.
Jack's blood was transfused into Rex, replacing Rex's immortal blood with Jack's mortal blood.

Gwen shot Jack, to save him from having to commit suicide (what a kind, considerate girl she is - guess she got to kill him after all) and Rex dramatically ripped off his bandages from his chest wound, and the blood from both men was literally ripped out of them into The Blessing. This was after Esther was shot, and Rex had a Moment where he had to choose between saving Esther or stopping the miracle. Luckily Gwen saved the day by telling him he had to do it because no one deserved to have the power over life and death, and basically said that if she was prepared to sacrifice her dad, then he should be prepared to sacrifice Esther.

I may be paraphrasing slightly, but you get the idea.

Jack died, but gasped back to life and his immortality was restored. Jack and Gwen had big hugs and then had to escape before Oswald, who was wearing explosives, blew the place sky-high.

Now, I would like to point out that I was quite satisfied by Oswald's end. There was no real redemption for him. Yes, he sacrificed himself, but he went to oblivion screaming that "all naughty girls run to hell, and he was running right behind them". No redemption for that evil piece of crap.

Sadly Kitzinger survived, and the whole business with The Three Families has been left open. It's been sugested a fifth TW series may revolve around them as the main protagonists, but we all know what Rusty is like with continuity. We got the ominous threat in "Sleepers" that the alien incursion had already begun, and then never heard anything more about it.

Um.... The show ended with Rex learning who the CIA mole really was, and getting shot by her and dying. Gwen's wailing, Jack's saying there's nothing they can do, that Rex is dead, and then Rex gasps back to life, a la Jack.

Very Doctor-esque moment:
Jack: "What?"
Gwen: "What?"
Rex: "What?"

And it ends with Rex saying, "You, World War II, what did you do to me?"

Cut to credits.

And now let the web-wide discussion start on how Rex could be immortal when it's the vortex that brings Jack back to life each time. And if the secret to immortality is in Jack's blood, as has been suggested more than once here, then why weren't Alice and Steven both immortal?

I liked some aspects of this finale, and it left me considerably less angry than episodes four and five of Children of Earth, but that doesn't mean I think Rusty has redeemed himself. He's still jumped the shark big time.

[tlen2.livejournal.com]

I'm not surprised that Esther is dead. Any female character could take the spotligh away from super-Cooper. I guess any female character is doomed to detah then she would be more popular. As you hardly would find an actress more plain and less-talented then EM she doesn't even have to try hard.

I'm somehow surprised that Jakc still alive. I had bet on his demise. Maybe they just ship him of to DW or find another excuse why he isn't around for the next season.

I fidn this blood-thign total crap. So far there was no indication that Jacks blood had anything to do with it. I mean the can't have completely replaced Rex blood with his. He would not have surveved this. so it's only a part of his blood, right, which got transfused? Alice and steve is has offpsrings should be more related to his bloodline then Rex and indeed be immortal.

But is it only me who this strikes again like a very bad AIDS-anthology like the virus thing in COE? I mean Rex obviously sees immortality rather as a desease. A desease which is transferred by blood. I desease which probably never can be cured.

[weis07.livejournal.com]

Gwen got to kill Jack. Of course, she probably sees it as helpful and good thing to do - bringing death back to the world and all that. But Jack kind of could manage without her. But no-o-o-o! Gwen had to make the big moment about her, taking the choice from Jack and all.
Despite the fact that it was Jack' blood that brought mortality back, despite the fact that Jack sacrificed himself (or his) to save the world several times in previos seasons - it was Gwen Cooper, "helpfully" shooting Jack in the back (and couldn't that bitch made it even more paintful?) and stealing the big moment (after others did all that needed to be done). Just as I thought she would. I guess it made her feel even more important. Add there her heroic pose and heroic speach and we can agree that this is totally Gwenwood.

[janto-forever81.livejournal.com]

over all .. its the most BS show .. ever made ..

[jennelldhalrbj.livejournal.com]

Aron sent us link to last ep so Dan and Harry watched it. The next morning I overheard Harry telling Rhys {who is only 5 but has a very very high IQ and has read Harry Potter books} what happened. After a while I heard the following exchange:

Rhys: Blood couldn't make someone immortal, could it?
Harry: No, it couldn't.
Rhys: So it was all rubbish then?
Harry: Yep.
Rhys: If blood could do that then my blood might make people cleverer. I could bleed on BJ.
Harry: It's Russell T. Davies. He wrote it, he's an idiot.
Rhys: I'll write to him and tell him about blood cells, shall I? Maybe he hasn't got a PC.
Harry: I don't think he can read. He probably dictates everything.
Rhys: I could teach him to read.
Harry: I wouldn't bother.
Rhys: On second thoughts--I'm really busy. I have algebra.

[kassy2.livejournal.com]

I love your children- may I adopt them, please? (as a granny, you understand, not as a Mummy)

[junealready.livejournal.com]

I didn't think it was just the blood that made Rex immortal, it was 'The Blessing' that changed him to be like Jack. When the Blessing changed the 'mortal' Jack back to 'immortal' Jack it changed Rex (who had had Jacks blood) as well.

Its a bit like when the Nanogenes in DW changed everyone into gas mask people because they thought that was the correct template. The Blessing thought Jacks template applied to Rex as well, so when it reversed things (making mortals immortal and vice versa) Rex became immortal.

[stlscape.livejournal.com]

What I got out of the explanation was that the Blessing changed things according to what it was fed, so when it got fed immortal Jack's blood at both ends, when the Miracle began, because it thought what it was getting fed was what it should use as a template (i.e., immortality.) If that's the case, then being fed mortal Jack's blood at the end should have reset *everyone* back to mortal. Jack came back to life because his immortality is from the Vortex. Rex, who only carried Jack's mortal blood, should have become mortal again. (He may or may not have died, depending on if he did *any* healing after the surgical repair of his heart.)

ETA: This occurred to me later - Jack's *always* been mortal, for his entire life. He's got a human body. He dies when injured sufficiently; he just doesn't stay dead because the Time Vortex boots him back to life. So no matter when the Blessing was fed his blood, his blood was always human. If the Blessing used Jack as a template, then humanity should die, but come back to life, fully repaired.

The lack of continuity with Whoniverse on the part of the writers makes me sigh. I wish they'd just call this AU stuff something other than Torchwood.

[alliegator.livejournal.com]

Just watched the finale, and I had a couple Gwen peeves. First off, I was really pissed when she said Jack could never be a suicide. Getting drunk off his ass and getting himself stabbed to death in barfights in the 1800s? As long as he's lived, he had to have committed suicide when he got really depressed. And, hello, Abbadon? Jack is a soldier and isn't a stranger to risking pain and death for others. Gwen didn't have to stand there and shoot him in the back like Jack wouldn't have gone through with it.


Gwen's dad: he would have lived if it hadn't been for Gwen, right? Not the whole destroying the Blessing, but the trying to break him out of the camp thing. He had survived his first heart attack and was a category 2. Safe from the ovens and had the potential to recover in time. Then Gwen moved him around, excited him, and he had another heart attack, this time making him a category 1. So for all we know, if Gwen had left him alone resting with care at the camp, he would have recovered like any other heart attack survivor after the miracle ended. If Gwen could use Torchwood resources to get herself in as a nurse, she could have gotten her mom in to stay at her dad's side.

Ester. I had begun to really like Ester. She was clueless at the beginning, but she was starting to get it and was growing a backbone. She was what Gwen was supposed to be originally: the 'every man', the normal person dragged by circumstances into this crazy world. The person with who we can identify. Gwen isn't that anymore. As a character she has changed, become super-Torchwood lady. Ester wasn't a threat to Gwen because Gwen ISN'T THAT CHARACTER ANYMORE. If RTD wanted to bring in new viewers with the US connection, then he should have left in that new viewer identifying character. I was upset that Ester died and Rex lived. Mostly because I think Rex is an ass.

I was left wondering about Jack's mortal blood. If his mortal blood was the "template" for mortal humans, does that mean everyone is now like 51st century humans? Because if in the next series a bunch of men start getting pregnant, I'm going to laugh my ass off! :D

[satanassa.livejournal.com]

Gwen shot Jack in the BACK? Wow Gwen, you couldn't even face your colleague when you killed him?! What a horrible rancid shit-bag she is.

The last paragraph in your comment is quite thought-provoking (and fic-provoking too). Unfortunately thinking is one of those bad habits that dear old Rusticle doesn't indulge in.

[kassy2.livejournal.com]

I'm sorry it's past my bedtime.....Why, exactly, did Jack become mortal when everyone else became immortal?
See, to me, the mark of a good story is that the fans do not have to comer onto Internet Forums and explain what the writer meant to say.....

[stlscape.livejournal.com]

Duh! Because RTD said so!

[maggietimelord.livejournal.com]

RTD is the lord and master of the big-gaping-plot-hole. He is all about the drama. If you want to watch his work, you must start from that thought.
We do not know that Alice and Steven aren't immortal. Yes, we didn't see Steven gasp back to life but it doesn't mean he couldn't. And, either way, I'd be so pissed off at Jack if I were Alice, I'd never want to see him again anyway.

Overall, I enjoyed the series but I went into it prepared to ignore plot holes.

[jennelldhalrbj.livejournal.com]

RTD is the lord and master of the big-gaping-plot-hole. He is all about the drama. If you want to watch his work, you must start from that thought. -----

I've always thought that it was better to watch with no thoughts at all.

[xandra-ptv.livejournal.com]

See and I still feel if Jack didn't die over the course of the show, until the end, how do we know he was actually mortal... it was just assumed, because he wasn't healing fast.

[stlscape.livejournal.com]

Exactly! And there have been times in S1 & S2 where he healed quickly, and times where he healed much slower.

[kaitelynn.livejournal.com]

okay...after reading all of the comments about how the Belssing needed blood to return everyone to normal I can just picture it saying something like "Feed me Seymour" or in this case "Feed me Gwen" *G*

[haddaka.livejournal.com]

I didn't watch the tragedy that was MD. My question is, did Rhys make it out alive? There was some speculation among the fans that RD would kill him off.

[alliegator.livejournal.com]

Yeah, Rhys made it.

[kcracken.livejournal.com]

Some questions were "answered", but so more were left open, which I expect is RTD's way of guaranteeing he gets more episodes (which isn't going to happen this time).

BUT, best line in the ENTIRE series goes to John deLancie (aka Q from ST:TNG).

He is standing over the little black guy who is a computer genius. The kid had developed a program to trace the phones the family used to get in touch with their people. Well, our little bitch, Charlotte, realizes she's going to get caught and goes to get a bomb, leaving it in her purse beside the computer where they are working. Her name comes up, John looks down at the purse and says, "Oh f*ck." *BOOM*

Best. Line. Ever.

[maggietimelord.livejournal.com]

Yeah...... that was classic. ;)

[kassy2.livejournal.com]

Actually, it was stolen form another film.......

[jennelldhalrbj.livejournal.com]

I must admit I don't understand this blood thing at all. How did Rex become immortal? Anyone understand? RTD thinks that exchanging certain bodily fluids makes you immortal---yippee--immortality here I come----BJ bled on me this afternoon when he fell down out back. Or does he have to be immoral first or do I?

[kassy2.livejournal.com]

No, but your IQ may go up..........

[nobleroman1.livejournal.com]

Finale ratings

10pm = 640,000
11pm = 310,000

[jennelldhalrbj.livejournal.com]

That seems very low.

[kcracken.livejournal.com]

I'm just curious as to what everyone got out of the finale, as in what questions were answered.

1. We know the Families are responsible for The Blessing, but we still don't really know who they are.
2. The Blessing is very old. But, it raised so many more questions than it answered.
3. Jack's blood DID have something to do with it, but only because it was the blood of an immortal. So, how come the transfusion to Rex made him immortal? And why him? He was homophobic to begin with and didn't like Jack. That's not going to change his mind so quickly.


Did I miss anything?

And I understand leaving some things open to "guarantee" another season, but when you bring up more questions than you answer...

Wait, I'm talking about RTD creating a logical series, aren't I? Oops, my bad.

[kassy2.livejournal.com]

Sep. 13th, 2011 08:50 pm (UTC)
This was written by RTD...Russel T Davies.....you understand that, right...and you still ask sensible, relevant questions as if you were dealing with a normal, intelligent writer???

[lawsontl.livejournal.com]

If you want to see for yourself, just go to rlslog.net and search for Miracle Day. You can see the ep without contributing to RTD's ego...er... I mean bottom line.

It's convoluted enough that you really have to SEE it to get just how convoluted it is. Every time I read a synopsis from someone who hasn't seen it who's trying to repeat what they've heard, it starts making more sense than the show actually made. Really, just get a drink, lay back, and think of Wales. I advise pausing before you attempt to actually consume the beverage, otherwise you may destroy the system on which you're viewing the ep (unless it's waterproof).

[kassy2.livejournal.com]

I cannot bear to, I have a weak stomach anyway
What I cannot, will never, understand is why RTD's fans ( and remember he does not want fans....) have always, and still are, gaily filling in the enormous plot holes with sometimes very intelligent science. If you have to rewrite, or write for him, large parts of a writers story, why bother?
As he has, inevitably, stolen or plagiarised the storyline in the first place why not, as I know a lot of us here already do, just write the story for yourself?

[jennelldhalrbj.livejournal.com]

Unfortunately, if you were immortal to make someone else immortal you would have to give them some of your bone marrow, and that's assuming that your immortality lay in your blood, which is illogical from a medical point of view anyhow, isn't it?

[nobleroman1.livejournal.com]

Has RTD given any interviews since the series started/ended (here in the US)? I swear you couldn't shut him up before, during, or after COE. Now? Not a word (that I'm aware of)...

[dr-doomsduck.livejournal.com]

I think he's been put on a leash since then, because that situation during CoE must've been a nightmare for the PR-people.

[kassy2.livejournal.com]

Hopefully it is a check chain......