Rant about Gwen in TW:MD ep08 preview (spoilers)

[charie-caphine.livejournal.com]

A preview snippet of the upcoming episode 8, 'End of the Road', has been released, in which [a] Gwen's conversation makes no sense to me given her behavour in the previous episode (and I doubt context will help), and which [b] showcases more of the painfully familiar Gwen's antics.

Here's the clip on YouTube (US only, I think) and DailyMotion (region-fee). I got the links off posts in other comms by pfyre; thank you so much for sharing these clips!

Not sure I have words. How does that come about, I wonder? Gwen defends Jack, stating that if Jack says something, he means it. Whatever happened to her 'you filthy lying bastard' pointedly expressed opinion from the previous episode?! One where she felt she couldn't trust Jack or rely on him at all? What an about-turn. She doesn't sound remorseful for her previous unjust accusations of not too long ago, she just claims it with the same fully superior conviction as she did the exact opposite view in 'Immortal Sins'.

Moving on, Shapiro doesn't believe Gwen, claiming to have read 'the Torchwood file', which apparently 'says that Cooper and Harkness inevitably form an alliance, and the best result can be achieved by separating them', and doesn't that make them sound like a couple of immature naughty schoolmates. But it also sounds like they are some inseparable, staunchly loyal comrades fire-forged in countless duo-operations. What? What? Just, what? Gwen and Jack have never worked as a two-man band, not on Torchwood of old, and not on this ragtag MD team.

Now, Shapiro orders to deport Gwen from the USA, with an interesting line here: 'you will be removed from American soil immediately, and God help Great Britain'. What could he mean? That with Gwen in the UK, UK is doomed? Why, how very perceptive. Next scene: Gwen's being led out of the mansion shouting abuse, hissing, and throwing objects in a typical for her display of wit, wisdom, and maturity.

Of course, that's just the preview, and may not present the situation in a correct light - but I rather doubt it.

Comments

[irishjantogirl.livejournal.com]

When it comes to Gwen; I've honestly stopped trying to work it out

[aviv-b.livejournal.com]

I think this Agent is very perceptive about Gwen. Where she goes, disaster follows. Yeah, this is an amazing about face from the 'think harder, you must know something' from last episode.

[charie-caphine.livejournal.com]

He's the Head of the CIA, from what I've heard. Maybe he'll end up being the token non-idiot character on the show? =)

[dr-doomsduck.livejournal.com]

I think I like this mister sharpie.

My guess is, she's lying through her teeth and convictions in the hope that Jack will forgive her for that stunt of the last episode. I mean, she looks rather resigned when she says he doesn't know. Like she knows that if Jack doesn't want to talk, he won't talk.

Am I the only one annoyed by the fact that Cooper speaks for Jack, not letting him answer the questions directed at him.

God, what a childish action to be throwing stuff around like that. Really woman, have you no dignity left? The only thing she feels she can do is throw around a couple of phonebooks and yell that 'the cia has no authority over her' If they hadn't love, why the hell are you in the states without your husband and baby.

What? What? Just, what? Gwen and Jack have never worked as a two-man band, not on Torchwood of old, and not on this ragtag MD team.

Yeah, I think that's why they said that the best results are achieved through seperation. They never work together, because they can't, they can't even see eye to eye on most things. Because really, how many alliances have Jack and Gwen made over the past few years? I remember her challenging Jacks decisions on the fairies, betraying him with Abbadon, chewing him out for leaving, opposing him when it came to Rhys, Ignoring his advice on her wedding day, ignoring his command during the whole Jonah Bevin thing, wandering off during CoE to chat with a doctor, whining at him for leaving her (and again disagreeing with him who's to blame).

I say, it's not so much making an alliance as a tendency to follow each other around. Jack because he's got Gwen's fix (adrenaline) and Gwen because she's the last remaining link to his Torchwood and Ianto.

[charie-caphine.livejournal.com]

Re-watched the scene to check Gwen's face when Jack says he doesn't know - because what you suggest is happening there is very possible - but she just looks blank to me. But wasn't it painful to see again. Especially her throwing things in a fit of anger. She really hasn't changed at all from s1&2, only she then used to toss people around (Owen, Jack) and now she got to inanimate objects.

Am I the only one annoyed by the fact that Cooper speaks for Jack

You most definitely are not.

Yeah, I think that's why they said that the best results are achieved through separation. <...> they can't even see eye to eye on most things.

Oooh, good call. I'm liking Mr Shapiro better and better. (And he's rather attractive, too...) That's exactly it: Jack and Gwen have always been on opposite barricades in every Torchwood matter. Violently so; corpses tended to accumulate courtesy of Gwen's love of confrontations.

I say, it's not so much making an alliance as a tendency to follow each other around. Jack because he's got Gwen's fix (adrenaline) and Gwen because she's the last remaining link to his Torchwood and Ianto.

I agree completely. And isn't this situation tragic. =( Poor Jack. Foolish Jack, why did you hire (and keep not firing) her?

[kamiandcat.livejournal.com]

You know there's that t-shirt they sell here, it says "I'm schizophrenic" on front and "I'm too" on the back. Somebody should get one for Gwennie Poo.

God help Great Britain indeed. Is it wrong that I would love to read some kind of fanfiction in which the UK shoots up all they have for defense to avoid her plane from landing???

[mscatmoon.livejournal.com]

The whole show is schizophrenic. That's the problem. They don't think they need consistency, coherence, no plot holes, characters that act in character, canon, continuity... RTD thinks he's so brilliant that he can just toss anything in whether it makes sense or not, and the world will worship him for it. As many have said many times, that's just sloppy writing.

[dr-doomsduck.livejournal.com]

Take it to the meme, sugar! :p

[jennelldhalrbj.livejournal.com]

Gwen defends Jack, stating that if Jack says something, he means it. Whatever happened to her 'you filthy lying bastard' pointedly expressed opinion from the previous episode?!

The person who wrote this probably didn't talk to the person who wrote the previous episode and when they looked for a lead from RTD he was too busy bending over with half a dozen other writers all fighting to lick his butt.

Sorry for this revolting image but being about due in 17 days I am getting just a tiny bit weirder than normal!!

[charie-caphine.livejournal.com]

Ouch, that was a bit vulgar, yes. =))

The whole MD at the moment looks like none of its writers consulted each other, nobody read the entire thing over, and equally none of them bothered to check out the previous seasons. ...That 'writers' room' must have been a cavernous hangar with high walls separating everyone, and no means of communication. And now there's only three more episodes remaining for them to redeem themselves; the odds aren't looking too good.

(But to be honest, I'm massively enjoying MD anyway. Because Jack! And because no matter how silly it is, I don't find it at all depressive. So far. RTD'll probably do his best to bathe his world in blood in the finale.)

[kassy2.livejournal.com]

I think it more likely that it was the After Elton team trying to get their heads up there, myself......
Something I have never understood:
Why do AE and SFX ,magazine both worship RTD in a way that is slavish and, well, to be honest, obsessive....

[z107m.livejournal.com]

Just be grateful that Gwen's been sent packing, which according to spoilers on Outpost Skaro, minimizes her involvement in this episode. Unfortunately, this is not so for the rest of the season.

[aviv-b.livejournal.com]

Any other spoilers we should know?

[sandysan2013.livejournal.com]

This show is just plain stupid. There is currently an SFX poll and Torchwood would win in the categories for Dumbest Show Ever and Worst Writing, and Gwen Cooper-Williams would win for both Least Liked Character and Most Hypocritical Character, if such categories were polled. I think I'll suggest it. These will likely be the only categories MD could win.

[aviv-b.livejournal.com]

Can you provide a link? Cause you know, if it doesn't go the way they want, they'll pull it and claim its all the Iantobots voting a million times, LOL.

[jennelldhalrbj.livejournal.com]

Jen gave me her log in details as I don't belong here. Anyhow, Octavia Adina Sierakowiak gave us all a surprise and arrived at 4 am this morning. She weighed 3.31 kilos. Both Jen and baby are fine and gorgeous.

I'm Dan actually.

Apologies as this isn't anything to do with Gwen. I'm just following orders.

[wounded-melody.livejournal.com]

Congrats!!!

[dr-doomsduck.livejournal.com]

CONGRATULATIONS!

Good luck with the little one!

[bk_forever]

Congratulations, Dan! And to Jen as well. Sending virtual hugs and best wishes to the family, as well as a warm welcome to Octavia - she seems to be a part of this community already =)

[kassy2.livejournal.com]

Oh many congratulations!!!
So glad you managed to prevent yourselves from calling her Gwen....

[charie-caphine.livejournal.com]

Dan & Jen, totally congratulations! jennelldhalrbj has been keeping us updated, whether we liked it or not. =)) Cool. And that's a gorgeous name, Octavia.

[jennelldhalrbj.livejournal.com]

Thanks to all.

Dan.

[aviv-b.livejournal.com]

I'm always late to the party - but congrats! Wonderful news!

[kassy2.livejournal.com]

To tear myself away form the picture of a new baby girl for a moment and make a legitimate Gwen comment-
This clip is why I decided long ago not to watch this mess.
Everyone, even JB, appears now to be sleep walking- or to have resorted to writing their lines on the props- as they did with William Hartnell- What would have been wrong with a good old fashioned stand up knock down fight at this point? Instead Gwen waves her arms around and throws a temper tantrum.
Tell me again, the five of you who are actually watching and not dozing in front of a switched on TV, WHY are you watching it?
It must be evident by now that TW has expired, this is a dead TV show, this TV show is no more....and no, it is not sleeping!!


Nor is it missing the fjords......

[littleatem.livejournal.com]

Classy, nice touch of Monty. You also forgot if the TV show wasn't nailed there, it'd be pushing up the daisies. I gave up on TW 'canon' and resorted to Fanfiction. As for the Miracle Whip storyline... I'll let my icon speak for itself.

[janto-forever81.livejournal.com]

when its coming to miracle day i have stopped caring .. its rubbish..

[jennelldhalrbj.livejournal.com]

It's me. I am home with Octavia, my sister and all the other kids. Everyone is well and this is to thank you all who posted good wishes.

Please be assured we are all anti Gwen, even Octavia. {Joke}.