Jb and EM at Comic-Con

[hydrojen90.livejournal.com]

 I was just looking through some MD vids, and found this video.

www.dailymotion.com/video/xk4nko_torchwood-sex-spin-offs-and-sci-fi_shortfilms
There's a bit where John says, "They'd never be together', and you can see Eve just pretending that she agrees with him :P It made me laugh a lot! Then, of course, she goes on about how they could be together but choose not to be -.- He doesn't want you!!

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[dr-doomsduck.livejournal.com]

anndd then there's JB trying to put in a "but.." the moment she says they could. He says something at 1:15 but I can't quite make it out because EM is yapping through it. is it "it's more introspected?" or "it's respected" or something like that?

Good god, why do people think Eve Myles is attractive? I just...nothing against the person, but really, she looks like a duck. Also, it struck me that JB didn't laugh with his eyes during this interview at all, just like in the last interview with digital spy, where he is actively telling people who to write and stuff to get him back to doctor Who. Hell, maybe it was me, but in that interview he even looked a little melancholic when he was asked if he would stay with the show.

[hydrojen90.livejournal.com]

I agree with you. He just looks like, "Hmmmm, I wish Gareth was here..." It just seemed to me that they had so much more fun and chemistry.

And I agree with the EM comment as well. I know we're not an anti-EM group here, but I can't stand her. I used to think she was alright until I saw the interviews she did about EM, CONVINCED that Jack and Gwen are meant to be together and that Gwen is the best thing since sliced bread.

On another note, I found this: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/263/screenshot20110726at203.png

I think this backs up your duck theory :P

[kperdnusse1.livejournal.com]

Maybe it's because I haven't seen any Torchwood for a while, but the gap in her teeth got bigger as well. Am I nasty for thinking this?

[wiseheart.livejournal.com]

Nah, it grows with her ego, I think.

[mscatmoon.livejournal.com]

I'm relieved to hear that John is talking about wanting to get back on DW! Honestly, if he was okay with the way they've been trashing Jack in COE and continue in MD... I just wouldn't be able to understand that. He'd have to be really blind or in denial at this point, to not see clearly that Gwen is now the star and lead of the show. Maybe he's even starting to realize he may have been used by RTD in order to get his precious Gwenwood?

[ella-caramella.livejournal.com]

...where he is actively telling people who to write and stuff to get him back to doctor Who.

Yes, because first he tells us to shut up and get over Ianto and now he wants us to write letters to get his ugly arse back on Doctor Who???

But of course, John The Selfish Hypocrite, I'm so writing letters for you because after you did nothing to save your colleague's job and your own character from being turned into a child killer who engages in random and gratuitous sex scenes I so want you back in a children friendly family show! You so deserve to get anything you fuc*ing WANT while screwing others!

[beccadg.livejournal.com]

...after you did nothing to save your colleague's job...

Oy! That's not fair. John made frequent mention of the "Save Ianto Jones Campaign" from as early as the 2009 Comic Con, where he actively pointed someone to the website, through interviews as much as six months later. Hell, even in the first AE interview where he did encourage people to "get over it" he wasn't ruling out the possibility that Ianto might be back. You can be as pissed at him as you like, but don't go pretending as if he's done nothing for Gareth or the Campaign.

...I so want you back in a children friendly family show!

I want John and Captain Jack Harkness back on Doctor Who. I'm just not about to start campaigning until I know if, say, Jack is actually going to survive Miracle Day in the first place.

[ella-caramella.livejournal.com]

Sorry, Becca, you know the only reason why I usually avoid commenting on JB's behavior is out of respect for the nice fans like you the man still has.

But after reading these last days interviews I really feel the need to rant. Yes, I'm pissed like hell, especially since he keeps showing how he doesn't give a fig about his own public and keeps taking us for stupids. John says one thing and the very next moment he contraddicts himself but apparently the stupids it's us, to deserve to be treated like non existent pain in his arse to be patronized for his own exclusive pleasure.

And this is valid not only for John but for the whole bunch of condescending and self congratulating mediocrities of Myles, Davies, Espenson and that other Gardner bitch.

[beccadg.livejournal.com]

Sorry, Becca...

Thank you, Ella.

...you know the only reason why I usually avoid commenting on JB's behavior is out of respect for the nice fans like you the man still has.

*Blushes and nods.* I know it's hard listening to all the promo stuff too. I've seen people being pissed when he does mention Ianto, taking any mention he makes of Ianto as patronizing and manipulative, and people being pissed when he doesn't mention Ianto because apparently then he's being dismissive of Ianto and everything he meant/was to Jack/the fans. With that kind of an attitude he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. I'm feeling sensitive too.

John says one thing and the very next moment he contradicts himself...

He wants to please everyone--tries to please everyone, and he can't. Like I said, there are people with whom he's damned no matter what he says. What matters to me is that, it seems pretty clear to me, he wasn't happy with CoE or EoT, and he isn't happy with Miracle Day. John loves Captain Jack Harkness. I understand that. I still do. I watched a five minute clip from episode three of Miracle Day and felt two things. 1) I wanted to murder Gwen Cooper slowly and painfully, and 2) I wanted to make everything better for Jack. I still love both John Barrowman and Jack.

[dr-doomsduck.livejournal.com]

Do I detect some resentment there? XD

no, but seriously, I think he made some attempt to get the fans to write to bring back Naoko Mori at the end of season 2, but was called on it by TPTB. Though, I really wouldn't be writing to bring mr. Barrowman back to Doctor Who OR Torchwood.

Also, I doubt that the Moffat feels the need to celebrate RTD's work with the anniversary. He's been trying so hard to make his own way, he has 50 years of source material to work with, why bring back the guy who was in it for 5 episodes (even IF it's his own character). Meanwhile the BBC might think that bringing back Jack will direct the kiddies to the adult content of Torchwood. Season 1 was a little mild and wouldn't damage a kid horribly. Children of Earth and Miracle Day totally changed that tone.

Oh, you'll probably love some of the other comments he made:

as long as the stuff stays true to Jack Harkness, I will be with it, and as long as i feel that I'm able to get something out of it. Because really, there wouldn't be a torchwood without captain Jack would there? nope.

on returning to Doctor Who:

I don't know, but I'll tell you this; the 50th anniversary is coming up, I would love to be a part of it, I think it would be sad if Jack wasn't a part of it. This is my personal opinion, it has nothing to do with the BBC or anything. But I know I've mentioned it to Russell, I know Russell thinks it's a great idea. I know that Steven Moffat has spoken to me about it and said it's a great idea. It's just up to BBC drama whether they want me to come back into Doctor who or not. and I think then if you need to send emails to BBC drama just send it to ben stevenson at BBC drama. There you go.

and that's the end of the interview.

[beccadg.livejournal.com]

...why bring back the guy who was in it for 5 episodes (even IF it's his own character).

Because he is his own character? Because he still is a popular character? Because an anniversary celebration should be about the whole of Doctor Who, including RTD's time with it? There are plenty of reasons for Moff to bring Jack back to Doctor Who, and apparently he's spoken with John about it personally as well as publicly stating he'd like to bring Jack back to Doctor Who. I'd really like CoE/MD to end and get retconned by Moff.

[dr-doomsduck.livejournal.com]

Of course It'd be awesome to see CoE and MD get retconned, I just figured that if we are celebrating the 50th anniversary, it would draw in more old viewers to see some of the old Who characters back, like Leela (aged like Sarah-Jane) or Romana, who are pretty popular legends. They would make more impact than Jack who had a cameo just 2 seasons ago.

Again, we can't be sure of anything that goes behind closed doors but I can just as easily see Moffat saying "sure, great idea but I'm not using it."

Then there's the BBC who might not be interested in bringing back a character from what is now a serious adult show to their kids show.

[slns7552.livejournal.com]

I agree with you, ella. He may have mentioned the "Save Ianto Jones Campaign"but that really wasn't doing anything for Gareth or the campaign. Did he say anything to TPTB, to Davies, to anyone? No, he played Jack the way he was written as a child killer and not just any child but his own grandson. I think JB is a hypocrite as well.

[beccadg.livejournal.com]

He may have mentioned the "Save Ianto Jones Campaign" but that really wasn't doing anything for Gareth or the campaign.

Advertising the campaign isn't nothing. He didn't have to say a damn thing. John made a choice, and it may have cost him something making it. We don't know because we don't know what's been going on behind the scenes. I know John got Gareth the panto he did. I saw them talk about how Gareth wanted to try panto at Torchsong. Gareth may have found panto and he are none mix-y things, but he wouldn't even know that if it hadn't been for John's help.

Did he say anything to TPTB, to Davies, to anyone? No...

You know that? You've got some proof he never said anything to them? Cause if you've got it I'd like to see it. As far as I know John has been supportive not only of the Campaign, but of Gareth. They hugged when they saw each other at Collectormania. I repeat. You can be as pissed at John as you like, but don't go accusing of him things that are patently false or that you simply can't prove.

...he played Jack the way he was written as a child killer and not just any child but his own grandson.

There are these things actors sign--they're called contracts. Gareth's first clue that Ianto was going to die was that his was for four episodes rather than five. John has one. He has said it won't let him work on any other dramas while he's under contract for Torchwood. He may not have known a thing about what Jack was going to do in CoE before he signed his. I mean RTD has claimed he didn't original intend to have Jack kill Stephen. He's said the BBC made him do it. Whether or not it was RTD's idea, it sure as HELL wasn't John's. He just did the job he was hired for.

[dr-doomsduck.livejournal.com]

I agree with you that we can't be sure what happens behind the scenes but that goes for everything. Including the fact that mentioning the SIJ campaign could have been John's idea, but it could've just as well been ordered by the BBC to calm the Ianto fans down after RTD decided to throw shit at them.

Whether John knew about the murdering of stephen in Children of Earth, he did know about it when he signed on for ANOTHER season. It might be John's job to read out his lines, but conversing with the producers about their decisions is not off limits for the star of a show. For example, James Mcavoy brought in ideas for his character in X-men First Class so that the public would react better to it. John has been getting quite a bit of slack (as seen above) for what's happening to Torchwood and might influence his popularity for future jobs. So yes, to a certain extent, it's important for the actor to protect the character he's playing to in turn protect his own carreer.

[janto-teagirl.livejournal.com]

"You're true tho the back story and true to were you came from"

*cough, certin creator, cough*

"Its far better to watch that their choice is not to cross that line"

*cough, like gwen with owen, cough*

[hydrojen90.livejournal.com]

Did you get my card? :O

[janto-teagirl.livejournal.com]

Yes i got it. *on kness* Please forgive me i had my letter to you all ready all i had to do is go to the post office but i lost it and can't find it so i had to write another letter today. Please forgive me

[stlscape.livejournal.com]

Watching their body language was interesting. Gwen was trying to snuggle up against Jack Eve was angled toward John, almost curling around him. John was sitting with his leg blocking her approach and his arm nearest her tucked way out of her way, under his leg. There wasn't any way she could manage to hold onto him without it being superduper awkward.

[weis07.livejournal.com]

I like absently disinterested but polite expression on JB' face when Eve interrupted him and started her blah-blah...
It's hilarious that they have totally different opinion about the possibility of Jack and Gwen getting together, and I find JB' more reasonable.
And of course, if Eve thinks that they totally can go for it, I'd like her to explain exactly why they haven't yet? What's that misterious "line between" that holds them apart and why is that?
Maybe Jack is not interested enough?
It's so funny that Eve beieves that Jack will run to Gwen the minute she snaps her fingers.

"Do I detect some resentment there? XD"
I definitely do.
I'm not sure JB can do much about way things is (and was) with Torchwood, and I don't feel too resentful towards him about not doing much to change situation. Because I'm not sure it's possible with those TPTB. Even now Jack is the only reason I stick with this MC.

[dr-doomsduck.livejournal.com]

I'm not saying he is to blame for what happened to Torchwood as a series and I don't particularly feel resentment towards him, I'm just saying; We don't know what is going on behind the scenes but I can hardly imagine that JB couldn't have had ANY influence on the character of Jack if he wanted to. That, and that there is a possibility that the BBC/moffat might not be jumping in joy to bring Jack back to Doctor Who.

I'm always a little careful with believing an actors love for a character they play, because of the great difference between it 'being a job' and it 'being a fanlove'.

[maxine-mirkwood.livejournal.com]

Given the calibre of actors and writers that Moffat has at his fingertips these days I think JB's chances of getting back on DW are pretty slim, no wonder he feels like he has to ask his fans to write begging letters for him. Doctor Who has thankfully moved on from the RTD era after 10's ignominious end and I can't see any reason why Moff would want to go back when he's spent two series carefully getting the show's canon back where it belongs.

[slns7552.livejournal.com]

I read an interview with John several years ago when TW first started in which he said that he never puts any input into roles he plays. He said that he played the character as it was written because he did not believe in telling the writers how to develope the character. So it did not sound as though it was RTD or anyone else except John who made the decision not to have any input into Captain Jack.

In other articles, GDL said that he had spoken to the writers and others who influenced how the characters were written and they were very encouraging and allowed him to have input in how Ianto developed.

Jack is not enough for me to watch MD. I find him exhausting and childish a lot of the time as well as very into himself. He and Gwen are alot alike in some respects. However, he is more likable to me than Gwen is.

[dr-doomsduck.livejournal.com]

In other articles, GDL said that he had spoken to the writers and others who influenced how the characters were written and they were very encouraging and allowed him to have input in how Ianto developed.

Ah yes, I had totally forgotten about that, it was his decision to make Ianto cry in fragments right? It showed! He was probably supposed to be a bland Idris Hopper copy who would have a short meaningless fling with lothario Jack and the prospect of being killed four episodes in the series, instead he became THE most popular character on the show, got a cult status, became Jack's OTP and survived throughout three series.

[charie-caphine.livejournal.com]

However, he is more likable to me than Gwen is.

Lots of even the most unpleasant characters would always be more likeable and relatable than Gwen, because they tend to be quite self-aware and know full well what sorry bastards they are. Gwen, on the other hand, is invariably convinced of her insurpassable perfection.