One more story with Gwen at the center

[weis07.livejournal.com]

Speaking about his possible departure from sci-fi RTD mentioned that - “I've got one more story that I can tell – just one more that has Gwen right at the centre of it – that would be fantastic” (interview to the guardian.co.uk).
One MORE, Russel? Nice slip.
So, he finally admitted that all previous stories were not about Torchwood, the team, the “drama” or human nature, but about his beloved Gwen at the center. I guess now we know who #1 of the cast is.
I hope that “story” he mentioned is MD and not hypothetical 5th season.

Comments

[jennelldhalrbj.livejournal.com]

Re this, I just read an interview with JB in which he said that in Miracle Crap we first see him alone in a room with a PC and he watches it and kills any reference to Torchwood to protect Gwen. Then Gwen is threatened so he has to go to work again. So IT IS after all all about Saint Gwen.

Whole of this can be found here:
http://www.afterelton.com/people/2011/06/interview-with-john-barrowman-torchwood-miracle-day

I find his having a one night stand with a man depressing also. It seems to be reinforcing, yet again, the idea that gay men, {and Jack seems to have become gay in this} are mostly promiscuous when everyone knows that promiscuity is wide spread among heterosexual men.

Seriously awful this, when they had the money to produce something awesome and meaningful we just get the usual RTD shit. What a pity.

[mscatmoon.livejournal.com]

So the reason Jack's back on earth is to erase Torchwood in order to protect Gwen. Nice. Too bad he couldn't have been more protective of his supposed lover. Honestly, I don't know if I could bring myself to watch TW now even if they brought Ianto back. Not as long as it has Gwen in it. RTD destroyed a good show for a lousy character.

[mscatmoon.livejournal.com]

Had to add to my post when I realized where my anger towards this is coming from. When we were originally told Jack had come back to Earth to erase everything pertaining to Torchwood, I foolishly assumed it was because of all the deaths, of Ianto and Steven, what happened to his family. Something meaningful that would redeem him and be done in honor of those dead. But now I learn that no, it's only for Gwen. Honestly I'd prefer at this point that they not mention Ianto at all. I have no hope of it being in good taste.

[dr-doomsduck.livejournal.com]

Oh yeah, Gwen was really what Torchwood needed all these years huh....well damn, I didn't know utter destruction was a necessity.

Unless ofcourse they're planning on rebuilding it from scratch with Gwen on the Golden throne and Jack playing the lackey doing the dirty work!

[wiseheart.livejournal.com]

Knowing the Rustoid, that might have been their nefarious plan all along!

[charie-caphine.livejournal.com]

Hey, he didn't say that; he said Jack's destroying references to TW also to protect Gwen, but mainly 'because his philosophy is that Torchwood and himself have caused a lot of pain and trouble'. So it's not 'all about St Gwen' - it's 'also about St Gwen', which is a bit better.

[jennelldhalrbj.livejournal.com]

The important words here are "a bit better". Er, I learned English as a foreiner and I thought a "bit' wasn't much

Sorry for spelling my spell cheker isn't working.

[jsks.livejournal.com]

to all those who drank the rusty kool-aid that ianto/tosh/owen/myfanwy/janet/suzie *jack? had to die in the name of great "drama" and not in the service of rtd's alter ego saint #*^#**3 gwen i ask "who you going to believe rtd or your lying eyes?".
if anyone had doubts that jack is going to bite the big one(i don't mean the throw away boy toy for boys kissing) and that teflon gwen is rusty's own sweet marysue please turn out the lights upon leaving torchwood.

[mscatmoon.livejournal.com]

Or that he didn't trash Jack's character in COE in order to make St. Gwen look better. And kill all the other characters because they were getting in the way/were too popular. The more he shoves her down everyone's throats, the more I hate her.
I've always disliked Mary Sues in fanfic, and having them in canon is worse. TBH I'm sorry I ever heard of Torchwood, and wish I'd never watched any of it. Sadly I found out after I'd watched that it was all about Gwen, silly me I thought Jack was the star and it was about the team.

[aviv-b.livejournal.com]

I'm with you - I think Jack's a goner.

[dr-doomsduck.livejournal.com]

AND AN AMEN TO THAT!

he's gonna bite it...let's take a specific part out of that aforementioned interview. Aside from the fact that JB said he'd LOVE to do another four series and a goddamn movie (pfff, really, who do you think you are? Captain Malcolm Reynolds?)

there was this:

Do you see an end to Torchwood?
JB: Well obviously, there will be an end to it at some point, but you know, I’m not ready for it to end. Touch wood, what I’d love to have happen is we do four or five more series, keep going strong, and then finish, and then maybe a year after, do a movie. I don’t know what I’ll look like, you know…

AE: Playing an immortal can be a drag.
JB: Exactly! I am gonna get older, so we have to figure something out. But I would be happy – although I do other entertainment stuff, I do other TV shows, I do books with my sister for young teenagers, I’ve got my music –

yeah, he's a goner alright...

One thing that I love about Torchwood, and that I love about Jack and Gwen and what we do with this – we go to the areas that other shows won’t go to, and we raise those issues and questions

what, you mean like supernatural? or family guy?...

a lot of people working on the crew thought we were a new show, and someone said, “Oh yeah, working on this show is tough because of blahblahblah,” and I said, “Dude, I’ve been working on this show – this is my fourth series.” And he went, “Really?”

I can wager a guess as to why it's hard to work on the show...it starts with an R and ends with Ussell T. Davies.

It’s very interesting when I talk to people about the passion of sci-fi fans and the passion of musical theater fans; some can use the word “obsessive,” but I have no problem with that

which is why he told us all to get over it...

There’s no heroes out there where the men [who play them] are openly gay

He's called Ian mcKellen, Go watch X-men and LOTR please.

[ella-caramella.livejournal.com]

a lot of people working on the crew thought we were a new show, and someone said, “Oh yeah, working on this show is tough because of blahblahblah,” and I said, “Dude, I’ve been working on this show – this is my fourth series.” And he went, “Really?”

HAHAHHA HAHA HA HAHHAHA!

JB really said that? Because, dude, that is a sure sign of Torchwood immense popularity! ;P

LOLTASTIC!

[satanassa.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I kind of feel sorry for JB now.

[dr-doomsduck.livejournal.com]

It is rather sad for JB but I can't really feel for him at this point, he's blowing his own horn so much. it's also very telling of how much emphasis they'll have on the previous series, if their own CREW don't even know that there was a previous series...

Also, the guy who said that wins the internet for bringing the reality back to these airheads.

[wiseheart.livejournal.com]

I don't feel for JB either. He didn't have any problems throwing all other characters to the wolves, now it's his turn. Simple as it is.

[dvcorvis.livejournal.com]

>>>“I've got one more story that I can tell – just one more that has Gwen right at the centre of it


that ianto/tosh/owen/myfanwy/janet/suzie ...yes I believe you right about the inexplicably now mortal Jack...so what story has Gwen in the middle of? Rhys dies and Gwen shacks up with Rex AKA the straight version of Jack Rex goes into politics becomes president Gwen cant she isn't US born but in a surprise move they repeal that provision and after 8 years of Rex Gwen is elected and because of her awesome self she later declares herself as ruler of the world

[stlscape.livejournal.com]

Sounds right up Rusty's alley. :( (Well, he *has* said he's through with *science* fiction...)

[jsks.livejournal.com]

shudder! please don't give rusty ideas.

[dvcorvis.livejournal.com]

sorry

[jennelldhalrbj.livejournal.com]

RTD steals other folk's ideas but we can be sure he doesn't visit this site so I think we're safe

Actually my 3 year old has more ideas than RTD. He has got an invisible giant Frog after all. Wait till he can write-----

[neurwen.livejournal.com]

I agree with everything you all have said.

One more story with Gwen at the heart of the show. Hmf! As if she already wasn't at the centre, left and right of the show.

RTD sold us TW as the Jack's show, but in reality Jack/JB have just been used as bait to attract viewers for the "Gwen usless Cooper" show since the beginning.

[wiseheart.livejournal.com]

And the sad part is, he still doesn't see that. Or he pretends not to. He couldn't be that daft, could he?

[dr-doomsduck.livejournal.com]

I think he just doesn't care. Torchwood is the longest running job he's ever had, it's the thing he's most known for (this observation is based solely on the fact that if I look for IMDB for John Barrowman, it says actor, Torchwood). He's said it before. He's just doing his job, he's just there to read the lines, he doesn't bother with the writing process or you know, what actually happens to his character...my guess is, the main reason why he likes playing Captain Jack so much is because it's a pretty sweet steady income.

The next person who tells me that that's what actors do should have a good look at the amount of actors who became producers in their series after a little while.

Holly Marie Combs in Charmed
Elisa Dushku in Dollhouse
David Boreanaz in Bones

And yeah, I get that some people just don't like that, fine, but I don't think I've ever heard another actor say that he's just there to read the lines...it just sounds a little lazy.

Edited because it is really difficult to put the D and the B of IMDB in the right order

[wiseheart.livejournal.com]

Richard Dean Anderson in Stargate SG-1, if we wanna stay in the sci-fi genre. Of course, he cared about the reputation of his Jack, and the show had a run of ten years, even after he left it as an actor.

Even if the last two years without him were not my cup of tea.

[dr-doomsduck.livejournal.com]

And in those two years he did plenty of comebacks, not to mention produced parts of both the spinoffs as well, hell he started producing back in '97 on the first ep.

Though I actually liked the new guy Mitchell, sure he was no O'neill, but he did good in his own way. It was Vala that I didn't dig.

I think that both Richard Dean Anderson and Michael Shanks practically carried the entire show with their characters (not that I didn't love Teal'c or Sam) and all four mains either produced or wrote parts of the show!See JB, RTD, this is what teamwork looks like and why you don't split up the magical duo of your show!