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pitac89.livejournal.com posting in antigwenallies Oct. 21st, 2009 10:43 am)Don't we already have Torchwood Archives? And my god, look at the cover.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/1846077648/sr=1-1/qid=1256136028/ref=dp_image_z_0?ie=UTF8&n=283155&s=books&qid=1256136028&sr=1-1
So what's the point of this Encyclopedia, other than to try and finance season four since CoE still isn't selling. Though since the encyclopedia hasn't even been released yet (in the US anyway) and it's price has already been cut, that might not work out so well.
Has anybody read it? Or at least got a clue?
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Seriously, by the look of it, no-one here needs this. Especially if there's even the faintest possibility that this could help fund 'Gwenwood'!!!
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Funny.
I take a look with the zoom and we can see Martha, Gwen but no Ianto. Probably there but I wonder how they going to describe him. Ianto Jones, the gay employee of Torchwood who be kill by the 456 and dead stay dead. Jack should pay the price of his tragic immortality.
Gwen Cooper, the most awesome character of Torchwood. Without her, Torchwood is dead (roll eyes).
No seriously I will not buy that.
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TRD is really late to the train if he thinks he can get away with crap as the Sole Voice For Our Community, oh ho ho ho ho.
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He sucks at all. He just learn to us how to destroy a show in ten lessons.
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You'll like this, Jack was in TW for over 100 years, there is only 2 pics of him in the entire thing. 2! I mean, hello? the guy was there a lot longer than her, heck, the best characters were there longer than her, and he only gets 2 pics? WTF?! I have no idea on how many ianto pics there are or if there are any at all, i wouldn't hold your breath for any janto pics.
I have to say, i wanted this book, before everything happened, and even after i thought i would look on ebay after it came out but after what people have been saying, i am not going to bother.
Oh, and apparently, Eve has done so well on BBCA selling the show, they have got rid of her commercials and have replaced them with ones with John in them. Someone on one of the lists saw them and there hasn't been an Eve one for ages. So she can so sell a show, can't she?
Makes you wonder if RTD tried to sell the original show with her as the main lead, if he did, turned out well didn;t it?
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So, only 2 JB photos? Very, very odd...poor Jack obviously wan't making much of an impresiion all those years?
Secondly, and very interestingly...so EM advertising sounds like it was a bit of a disaster, eh? No surprise! But they've actually had to REPLACE them with John Barrowman trailers/commercials?
I've said this before, but that interview on BBC Breakfast where she monopolised the "Day 1", almost made me not want to watch S3 (and I didn't even know what was goingto happen then)...
Perhaps the BBC would just be better off filming "Excalibur" (with Gwen) and resurrecting TW "as we know it"....sans EM.
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And yes, some said that the advert for Tw had changed to john instead of eve and she hasn't seen one all the times she has been watching BBCA. The eve' ones used to be on constantly but they have gone.
As for that interview, it was interesting how she made it all about her and gwen and her pregnancy but when john was on loose women, he talked about the show as a joint effort and didn't single himself out unless he was asked but he promoted the show not himself unlike her.
I wish they would do the original show and give tw to some talented writers, get janto back and get the show back on track unlike the car wreck has turned into but rtd should learn a lesson from the writers and producers of law & order criminal intent, because they have just got rid of the two main leads who were the ones the show was based around and also the only reason people really watched it and all of the fans have quit that show and refuse to watch it and it has damaged the show really badly, even with them saying they will be in the first two eps of the next season, the fans aren't going to watch it. So, it shows just how much damage pissing fans off can do to a show, even if they have new fans.
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Same wish! We just need BBC to take the good decision. finger crossed!
And I think the best in this encyclopedia is put Jack who should be the star, not Gwen. It's Jack the leader with is (of course) Ianto the lovely coffeeboy and Gwen, no picture. Just one line for her and it's "not a good example to follow" or something like these.
Je déteste Gwen Cooper!!!!!
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The thing is, and i don't think RTD is getting this, people didn't tune in because of him or eve, they tuned in for john and jack. TW would be nowhere without him and being honest, neither would eve. And, if the original premise of the show was so good, why the hell did the bbc turn it down? He has done 180 on the bbc and the fans and turned it into what he had planned all along but not only has he pissed the fans off but the bbc as well and by doing it he has damage the show to the point where there might not be a show at all. And also, as much as he may think he is the best thing to happen to tv and eve is the best thing to happen to it as well, it is very clear that he isn't anywhere near as good as he thinks he is and she isn't as good as either of them think she is and that is going to cost them dearly.
I am just pissed off with the fact that Jack, tosh, owen and ianto have been thrown a side and its all about gwen and the fact that the actors have been thrown a side for eve as well. John put so much into that show and getting it to where it is, does he get any credit for it at all, no. The character that drew people to the show gets nothing but the ne no one can stand gets pages and pages about her? It's sickening.
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BBC probably know Janto was really popular to the fandom, but I think they going to take the easy way if they take the decision to commissioned:
1 - New relation to Jack or not relation at all.
2 - Cancel the show.
But I still hope they think to bring back the lover of Jack but with the reason of the immortality of Jack who should pay the ultimate price, I don't think they going to bring back Ianto with is sad.
Let see what going to happen in Doctor Who but I will not surprise RTD pissed off much more the fans to give a new man for Jack.
Have you see in day 5 they don't mention GDL in the credit. They completely erase him.
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As for Jack, the thing is RTD has turned him into basically the more violent version of the doctor. And seeing as the Doctor can never have some one to love without them dying or leaving him, i don't think Jack will ever have anyone to love and with RTD behaviour, jack will probably fall for someone, just start to get to know them and they will die in the most stupid way ever and jack will be left alone again, while Gwen has about 10 kids who end up saving the world against the apocolypse. Although, with how he has turned jack into the new version of the doctor, i wouldn't be surprised if he gets taken over by the master and ends up being evil for the rest of the show.
The other thing also, and it sounds bad but with the budget cuts at the BBC and RTD's feelings, i think one of the things he might put up for the chop to save money will be Jack. He doesn't like Jack and with how popular john is, i am not sure if he likes him either and John would cost the most so getting rid of him for eve who is probably not paid as much, in his mind would be a wise choice. Also, seeing its not scifi anymore, he doesn't need jack because he is scifi. I wish i was joking but i could actually see it. The other thing is, from reading john's book, i don't think john either thinks or wants to come back. There was a lot of things going off on that set which were hinted at and it wasn;t a happy set and to be honest, from the sounds of it, he could see where things are going and i think he knows he is on borrowed time or is out of time with TW.
I did see day 5 and how GDL wasn;t mentioned. I have also noticed that since it aired, neither him or john have been given any credit by the writers or Eve and Kai, its like they don;t exist, which is really pathetic, burn and naoko get more credit than these two are getting. Its like they don't want to accept the fact that JOhn and Gdl were apart of the show at all, i have noticed in all of the interviews either RTD or EM have given, its been them who have gotten the show to where it was and the fact the season 3 was ' big ' was down to his fantastic writing and her brillances as an actress but John and Gareth get nothing or aren't even mentioned.
I am not watching TW without Janto in it, frankly, they were the ones who made sitting through the gwen show actually worth it. I don't need tw to see john, i can get it from other places.
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Keep the good fight and show to BBC what we want! And yes, that probably going to be long but we can do this.
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But this is down to money. And no offense to tw but if it came down to either filming dw or tw, they would go with the bankerable one, which is dw because it is already established. But I don't think we are going to hear anything about tw for a long time.
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Or considering the baby, don't burn the bridges!
While Sarah Michelle Gellar got a lot of fan rage when she stepped away from Buffy, at the end of 7 years, fact of the matter is that she's a great leading lady who was on good relations with most of the cast, include Hannigan (Willow), before they had a fall out when it ended...but I think they Got Better. SMG remained great friends with Amber Benson (Tara, the other half of Willow/Tara), and on gay marriage, said "I have good friends, gay couples, who've been together for 18 years. It drives me crazy that in the eyes of the law, their love isn't acknowledged when I have girlfriends who have married four times by the age of 25."
Myles on the other hand, definitely burned the Barrowman bridge, the GDL bridge (one day he'll be great), the BBC bridge, and judging from the huge scorn she got at AfterElton, the GLBT fan bridge. Honey, you don't need to be gay for a gay following to be a crucial thing, look at Lady Gaga.
In her place, I would have wisely fought against CoE, and heck, fought against the killing of Owen and Tosh's characters, because if Owen and Tosh didn't die and Torchwood wasn't THAT dangerous (in that they got BETTER at dealing with dangers), then it might have made sense for Gwen to have a baby in series to match Myle's pregnancy in real life.
...and if RTD and Myles was in a mutual admiration society, did they not talk about this? ...cause a pregnancy can totally be written in so that the actress don't have to take much time off until the very end, for the birth, some recovery, and then minor parts for her character, so the series doesn't halt a year. Joss wrote in a great part for Cordelia Chase's character when Charisma Lee Carpenter was pregnant.
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She has taken what RTD has said to her and thinks it is the truth. She now believes that she is the lead and the show is now hers and i also think she has bought the whole, RTD can do anything to TW and the BBC will make it. But now, they must be getting nervous because there has been nothing from the BBC about season 4 and its been over 3 months and there is nothing. Because it isn't as easy to get things made as it was before and its not as stable as it was before.
She has definately burnt bridges with the John and Gareth, not sure about Naoko and Burn though. I know the eve fans were saying that she and john were still friends because she went to his press night but from the sounds of the people who were there, she went there for business and to find out what john was doing, not be supportive or a friend. She didn't, like his other friends who were there, go backstage and see him, she ignored scott, carol and people who work for him and spent the interval talking to Gavin but it wasn;t a friendly chat. I think her attitude both on and off the set has disgusted john, he is big on being proffessional and how she dismissed both him and gareth like they didn't exist and made it all about her must have pissed him off. I mean, Naoko and Burn got more from her than John and Gareth did. So not only has she pissed those two off, but the fans and the gay community as well by making janto sound like it was a joke. And she is meant to be the lead how?
But i did remember something the other day, it must of been bad between the three of them because she did an interview with TW magazine while it was being filmed and she was talking about and she was saying complaining about how she didn't get to work with john and gareth a lot but here is the interesting bit, she said that she felt like an outsider to those two and they had their own little in jokes and ways of doing things that wouldn't match what she was doing and they would find things funny which she didn't understand in certain scene's and they wouldn't tell her what it was. I just find it interesting.
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They had their own little in jokes and ways of doing things that wouldn't match what she was doing and they would find things funny which she didn't understand in certain scene's and they wouldn't tell her what it was
You don't have to be in the middle of everything all the time. It does feel bad when you are excluded, but you aren't the only one who have ever been excluded. Back in junior high, I had two bestfriends who knew each other much longer than they knew me, and spent more time together because they share most of their classes together and I've only shared one with them (plus, they were mutually lovey huggy type, which is what I like about them, but I need my me-space). You just have to learn to appreciate what you have, and if that isn't enough, you go look elsewhere to add to it and just be happy for people who are happy along the way.
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As for writing it in, she probably did tell RTD and that is why he wrote it in, ironically she didn't want to get pregnant during the filming because of the risk to the baby but Gwen is doing all of that and it doesn't hurt the baby? Obviously someone doesn't know much about pregnancy RTD.
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How to write in the actress's pregancy
The writing it in thing is stupid, considering the Six Months Later bit, they could have had Gwen shown up looking 3 months pregnant to hint that she got pregnant after CoE.
I did think of a good sci-fi way to deal with an actress's pregnancy that wouldn't leave the character with a child, or grief over a miscarriage, or worries over a child they have given it away. Make it a fake pregnancy.
Throughout the ages, in circumstances where a heavy pressure is placed upon the woman to have a child, woman have faked pregnancies. Either she was faking from beginning, not thinking it through...or planning to adopt or have a surrogate in waiting (such as in "Ugly Betty", when a character with a hostile womb fake a pregnancy and had another woman carry the child of the rich guy who died before saying I Do). There are also women who had a miscarriage, and pretend to still be pregnant.
It Wouldn't Surprise me, if, there is an alien device that can affect a woman with the appearance of a pregnancy, one that can fool the husband even when she had her clothes off (which a beachball under the clothes would be obviously useless in). Then at a set time, the 'pregnancy' just disappears, because there was no pregnancy, no potential life to begin with, no complications. Though the device could also have altered the user's body in a way that a)it mimics a pregnancy, and b)it actually prepares the body to produce milk, so at the end of the fake pregnancy, when there is a baby, the not!birthmother can feed the baby.
This is great when the character is single or Not Sleeping With Men or will never keep the baby, but for the character of Gwen Cooper, it's a bit of a waste, considering it's quite in character for Gwen to have a baby with Rhys...IF Tosh and Owen had not died. (at which point, the sci-fi write in can be reserved for Mori, if she decides to take that direction with her life).
Alternatively, send the character of the pregnant actress to the Torchwood 2 office for a special project, and every episode they can check in through a video screen that doesn't show what's below the chest.
All of the above, is probably much better than killing all the other characters off, and hoping that BBC will not only give you a season 4, they will also be wiling to wait a whole year while Ms.FemaleLead have time off. Hey, it makes sense for there to be a Dead Year, everybody was killed off! Gwen needs recovery time!
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I don't get that, if she got pregnant during filming, which ended in November, she would of had the baby by now, because the average pregnancy is about 9 - 10 months long, if she got pregnant during the filming, her dates don't add up. And she is conterdicting herself because she has always claimed that she got pregnant after the show. And she went against what she said before COE aired, when she said she would have the baby and get straight back into work. You know, i really wish she would stick to one thing instead of changing it every 5 minutes.
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I wasn't paying much attention to EM stuff, but yeah, her pregnant story doesn't make much sense time wise, she should have given birth by now... I don't see any news from the TW comm saying EM gave birth.
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"Jones, Ianto: Deceased, RIP. Bringing him back would only cheapen his death, and, indeed the whole future series of...'Gwen's Angels'!"
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I notice John still says, when anyone asks, that talks are in progress about more Torchwood. I think he is just being kind to the fans, though, who keep raving about when will there be more Torchwood. Personally I have had enough of Gwen to last me a lifetime and if more Torchwood means more Gwen------ugh--ugh---
I think that both Eve and RTD are living in a dream world where Gwen is loved by all. I can understand Eve somewhat, {even though when ever she opens her mouth about Torchwood she seems to put her foot straight into it} as Torchwood was her chance to get a leading role, but RTD----????
The BBC must have realized by now that some folk were not happy with Torchwood 3. However, there are still a lot of people who say it was great TV. I content myself about this by noting that there are folk I know who think "The One Show" is great TV and also that the Post Office are under the impression that having a fat man with a speech defect and an ancient actor on their adverts will make people use the Post office more-----
I apologize in advance for not liking The one show and not understanding the man in the P.O. advert.
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I think eve has been sold a load of stuff by RTD and she has taken it hook line and sinker. RTD, i think he thinks he is the best thing to happen to TV since TV. He has an ego that makes him think he is better than he actually is and he thinks because of that, he can do what he wants and people will like it but it never turns out that way, just like forcing an unliked character down fans necks, they think it will make them like them but in the end it destroys the show and as soon as their favourite has left, they quit the show. Writer like him self destruct the show and piss of the fans and the actors off and they can't get work afterwards because with how they have acted, no one wants to hire them because they just aren't worth the hassle.
There might be a lot of people who said, oh it was great but its not there that they look at, its the merchendias and dvd sales and seeing as a lot of the fans haven't brought the DVD or aren't buying the books, etc, will give them an idea of just how pissed off the fans are. They also have people watching the websites and with all the protests all over the net about it, they will know just what the fans are saying, as well as the constant letters to them will give them the idea that people aren't happy.
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The new info is in small writing and about one line long. A lot of the pages are full of screencaps or promo shots or episode stills because they lack any info. At lest every other page there is a gwen pic. They have some pages that have either the whole page filled by a pic or half a page filled by a pic and sometimes both with two pages to make up for lack of content. The talk about some of the characters, like jack and ianto isn't really detailed or that long. It is incrediably rushed and generally horrific. There has been no care or attention or love put into this book, this was done for merchendias and its looks and reads like a cheap book. I have the West Wing and Star Trek encyclopedias which are beautifully done, really detailed, has back history's, the works, this is just crap and i am really disappointed to be honest.
It's just a cheap money making idea, that's all.