Ok, this just tickled me and i know you lot will appreciate it.

[emzbuckley.livejournal.com]

I was looking through links the other day and one of them lead to Eve's fan website. I know, i nearly went for the bleach but clean my brain and eyes but something caught my eye.

They were talking about her work before Gwenwood and how it was being reshown or someone was posting it on YT, yadda yadda but then the first line caught my attention and it had me in stitches. The were saying about how fans of her's hadn't seen any of her previous work before GW and that was because, ready for this,


IT WAS NEVER SHOWN OUTSIDE OF WALES! 

ROTFLMAO!

She is so good that no one outside of Wales knew who she was. Even Gareth had done productions out side of Wales before TW but apart from DW, TW and Framed, no one had seen her work outside of wales. 

I do apologise if i am being a bitch but it just struck me as funny.

Comments

[l-vera01.livejournal.com]

Well, now I know why RTD keeps insisting she's best actress in Wales. She just really hasn't been seen outside of the country, LMAO.

doesn't hold a candle

[hohaiyee.livejournal.com]

It has been commented that in /writing/ Rose, the other character created by RTD, was just as bad, at times, but fans liked Rose moar than Gwen, because Billie Piper has moar acting l33t acting skillz than Eve Myles.

...and wow, what a career BP has, she was in pop music around 2000, did rather well too, Because We Want To (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5ca1a_billie-piper-because-we-want-to_music) was used for women's sport games in 1999. Likewise, while her character can be accuse of being a Mary Sue, alongside the Doctor himself...that's way better than The Anti-Sue, Gwen. Whether or not it was realistic that Rose can kick so much ass from the very start, the fact that she does is awesome. ...Gwen and Myles really does not hold a candle at all. BP is the bigger star, and yet she has the smaller ego...

Re: doesn't hold a candle

[slns7552.livejournal.com]

I've only seen Billie Piper in DW and neither she nor Rose appeals to me. Gwen is just Rose with pop-eyes and louder shrewishness.

Re: doesn't hold a candle

[hohaiyee.livejournal.com]

I guess it's different strokes for different folks, different perspectives and all.

Gwen is also Rose plus all the advantages that Rose didn't have, both parents, more money in the family, a live in boyfriend, oh a decade moar that should have given her moar maturity, a career as a policewoman to start.

I would have loved Gwen (and I did at first, when she felt a bit like a Grace Addler in the beginning), if instead of drawing the focus to herself and being obsessed about Jack, she had cared more about Ianto and Toshiko and Owen (other than sleeping with him) and Andy and Rhys. Rose left, but she didn't think they'll be gone so long, still thoughtless, but she didn't string anyone along. Her focus on one person was alright when it was the only other person, when there wasn't, I like how she was impressed with Martha.

Although a LOT of it definitely comes down to the actress. When I envision the line "Do you like my gun" spoken by Gwen, I just cringe at how plastic her delivery would have been

I also made greater allowances for Rose after comparing her to The Doctor, who I think isn't All That at all...I can understand why, he wasn't meant to be all that (can we please retcon the Time War already? Killing off Romana and Rani and Susan in one stroke...and all those other timelords that keep the Doctor from being The Marty Sue and The Man, it's just baaaad.)

Especially highlighted by how he treated Harriet Jones, who is awesomer than he. Dude, her introducing herself with her badge is a good thing, it's her not assuming that everyone knows who she is. I was especially cross with the Doctor when he warned Pete about her, Pete's World which is in the golden age that the Doctor averted in his own. Like, with all due respect, sir, GTFO.

Re: doesn't hold a candle

[emzbuckley.livejournal.com]

But i think there is the problem. Gwen isn't an original character, she is just a worser version of Rose in an adult program, she is a rehash of an original character.

It's reallly mysterious why RTD is batting for Myles

[hohaiyee.livejournal.com]

Like he's an awful writer, mostly (I like "Midnight"), but wow, that goes with bad taste in actresses too?

Maybe RTD is a closeted bisexual? Cause like, really now, people and their quaint little categories. If he is, is he aware of it, and does he hate his 'gay side'?

I notice that in colouring, RTD is like GDL, AND EM before she started dying her hair. Dark hair, pale skin, large eyes, this is really apparent in the picture where RTD is wearing a pink shirt. It's like he picked them based on what he would look like, if he was skinnier and all around gorgeous in the case of GDL, and in the case of EM, him as a woman. Being out doesn't mean you still don't have internalized phobia, and in the end, RTD chose to identify with EM, and gets pissed off when people cheer for GDL more, who's better at being what he thinks ideal him would be than him, and hey, made the character his own. He thought that whatever the hell is missing or he feels is missing, wouldn't be if He Was Only A Woman, and the Ianto character Disproved that, or challenged it, bye bye Ianto.


I read this collection of a subversive take and linkage of classical fairytales when I was in junior high that I would have to dig up again. It has one couple where the frog prince went back to being a frog, and dragged the queen with him. The other was of a prince charming who missed the right kind of princess. Then there is a meta villain, who turns out to be the author. The author wrote himself in, and then hated everything about himself, and hated how anyone can like the bits about himself that he hated, even though those bits are actually not the worse of him.

Yes, I've found it! The self hating author self insert

[hohaiyee.livejournal.com]

I do loathe not being able to remember the titles or authors of stories I read as a child, but my library's online catalogue didn't fail me, I found the author so;

Untold Tales by William J. Brooke (http://www.amazon.ca/Untold-Tales-William-J-Brooke/dp/0060202718/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1254257353&sr=1-2)

From Publishers Weekly
As he did in A Telling of the Tales: Five Stories , Brooke here recasts familiar fairy tales in inventive--if somewhat bizarre--molds. In a retelling of The Frog Prince , for example, a king who began life as a frog realizes he's happier in his original state. After running the kingdom by herself, his Queen joins him in amphibian bliss when he kisses her . More plodding is a reworking of "Beauty and the Beast," in which a physical role reversal has Beauty the unsightly character and the Beast a paragon of physical perfection. The keenest entry brings an aging Sleeping Beauty together with Prince Charming--after he has spent years married to Snow White, whom he awoke when he tried to practice his kissing technique on her. Brooke eventually weaves Hansel and Gretel--and even himself and the inner workings of his word processor--into this cleverly labyrinthine compendium. The narrative overflows with puns and wordplay, some of which may be lost on readers at the younger edge of the intended audience. Ages 10-up.
Copyright 1992 Reed Business Information, Inc.

From School Library Journal
Grade 7-9-- The author of A Telling of the Tales (HarperCollins, 1990) has written four more original renditions of fairy tales. The Frog Prince has become a workaholic king, leaving his queen to pine for the old days with her green, slimy playmate. Beauty is a sweet and homely girl, while the Beast is an uncommonly handsome young man with a cruelly cold personality. An aging Prince Charming arrives 25 years late to awaken Sleeping Beauty, now a 45-year-old widow. In the last story, which begins with the Prince and Aurora frozen with smiles on their faces wondering why they are still on stage, the author inserts himself into the tale, interacting with the characters in a surreal, Pirandello sort of way. He takes outrageous liberties with his plots, such as killing off the Prince with a falling meteor. Charming, in turn, finds his way into the inner workings of the author's computer to sabotage his further efforts. In a whirlwind ending, Brooke and characters elude one another until the Prince and Princess, turned into frogs, go together ``Between the Stories as their tale was untold.'' Full of witty word play, philosophical musings, and satirical comment, these tales may have difficulty finding their audience. Much of the humor is adult in perspective, and children will not have much patience with the philosophical introspection of ``A Beauty in the Beast.'' Older students who would appreciate the satire may be put off by the format and juvenile appearance of the cover. Still, these tales are exquisitely written and remarkably inventive so that a creative teacher or librarian could introduce them by reading aloud or use them to teach writing techniques. --Connie C. Rockman, The Ferguson Library, Stamford, CT
Copyright 1992 Reed Business Information, Inc. --This text refers to an out of print or unavailable edition of this title.

Damn shame it looks near out of print, it was brilliant and it was my first encounter with a story that just bends the reality into the story.

[jennelldhalrbj.livejournal.com]

I have Welsh relatives because my older sister is married to a Welshman who can trace his ancestry back a long time and all in Wales. When Torchwood started I was surprised that an unknown had a lead real so, as she was Welsh, I asked Tom, my brother in law, who she was. He couldn't think who she was to start with, then suddenly he realized she was in some Welsh language soap. He told me surveys have revealed that between 70 and 80% of folk in Wales never watch programs in Welsh at all.

Since population census have shown that there are slightly less than 3 million people living in Wales all together, the number of folk familiar with Eve Myles before Torchwood, even allowing for anything else she was in besides the Soap, has to be very small indeed.

This does not explain RTD's overwhelming and unnatural fascination with her to me, anyhow. He is a self confessed soap fan though and Welsh. To expect everyone else to share his own particular mania reveals him as a very self obsessed and controlling person. He once said in an interview that he didn't like the character of Jack Harkness much, so, unable to kill him like the rest of the cast, he merely killed everything he made the character care for. This left his beloved Gwen intact and ready to fuck up in future seasons, if there are any, which I very much doubt.

As for Gwen, RTD, at the same time as expressing a great love for the character, wrote her as a liar, a cheat, self obsessed and controlling. In other words, himself. Gwen is RTD written as a female. Hence his feelings for her. He will never, if he writes her again, let anything terrible happen to her because, in his mind, she is him. He needs to see a psychiatrist---

[lukita.livejournal.com]

He once said in an interview that he didn't like the character of Jack Harkness much, so, unable to kill him like the rest of the cast, he merely killed everything he made the character care for.

Gah~ If I hadn't all ready wrote RTD off as a lost cause, I would hate him. That man doesn't care about his characters (except the ones that are suppose to be him if he's a woman), so in a way it tells me he doesn't care about his work and I shouldn't care either. My time is precious! I don't have time to spend on something the writer threw together or rescued from the rejected pile when there are better crafted stories out there.

[emzbuckley.livejournal.com]

That Bastard!

I hope he gets screwed over big time.

Re: RTD and Soap and Welsh

[emzbuckley.livejournal.com]

But, if he was so proud of Wales, why has he said that TW or GW was never about Wales and might not even be set in Wales anymore?

I don't think it really matters if GDL could speak welsh or not, why should it matter? Eve was in a welsh drama that spoke english. Most welsh drama's are in english, yes speaking welsh might of given him an advantage but not by much. He would have more of an advantage if he could do an american accent because if you can do a good american accent, you'll get work in america and that gives you a better career than any welsh drama could give you.

As for RTD, i think it wouldn;t of mattered if Gareth had had a welsh dragon tattooed across his chest or spoke fluent welsh. I don't think RTD is proud to be welsh, he wouldn't be saying it was nothing to do with cardiff or wales if he was proud of it, he's changing the entire format so it isn't scifi or welsh. The only thing in it that is welsh is Eve and Kai but that is nothing to do with being proud of being welsh but because he thinks she is the best thing since sliced bread.

re: RTD and Soap and Welsh

[hohaiyee.livejournal.com]

re: RTD and Soap and Welsh
As a minority, I can understand why, but unfortunately, RTD is Doing Wrong and Making It Worse.

All those jokes about how Nobody Cares About Wales being funny aside (and really, the first I've ever heard of Wales, was jokes about sheep being all there is)...it probably Is Not Funny if you are Welsh, and in the historical context of them being one of the countries eaten by England...and get this, Charles is considered a Prince of Wales even though he's not from there, I think it was Cracked.Com who pointed out that something like that is like USA knighting someone the Queen of Mexico.

As someone who has had access to English media and media in my mother tongue, I think Jackie Chan is a crappy actor and often an embarrassing human being (he once suggested it'll be a good thing if more Chinese women 'married out' and spread the Chinese culture that way, cause Chinese women, we are like travel pamphlets)...if he never went to America he would have been Yet Another Bruce Lee wannabe that would have faded out to obscurity...but in America, he gained success as the Token Chinese Hero, even though he's a crappy actor and an embarrassing human being and the Chinese-American's Pamela Anderson (the American actress that Canada wants to pretend was never Canadian)...but you see the point?

I think RTD is really proud of being Welsh and really wants to promote that, and I think that's awesome...but he's Doing It Wrong and Making It Worse by picking an actress, who, when held up to Billie Piper (whose character RTD based Rose on), is completely outacted and outclassed. Worse when he's portraying Gwen Cooper as the character that a lot of people Does Not Like.


Makes me wonder how different things would have been if GDL could speak Welsh and was in a Welsh production. GDL's acting skillz was so l33t that when he was much younger, a member of the British government saw him in a play, and sent him money so that he could further promote his career. ...but if he can't speak Welsh, RTD, other than the, might want his self-insert to be a straight woman thing...might not see him as the best Welsh Lead of the series.

Re: RTD and Soap and Welsh

[wanda1969.livejournal.com]

Just like to say the politician who supported GDL was the GREAT and WONDEROUS Neil Kinnock. He stood for Labour in the General Election 1992 (I think...I voted for him, what year was that?). Unfortunately, Gallup polls revealed that he was not popular due to being Ginger and Welsh! He therefore failed, allowing Tory scum to take over the country yet again! Oops, this isn't a political website, is it? Anyhow, five years later we managed to cast off Tory shackles......let us hope that we do not return to this dark age....

Re: RTD and Soap and Welsh

[as1mplegirl.livejournal.com]

Makes me wonder how different things would have been if GDL could speak Welsh and was in a Welsh production.

Like how exactly?

[onlyoneargess.livejournal.com]

In order for anyone outside Wales to see anthing that she did, there had to have been interest in the project.

From what you've said, since there's bits going up on YT of things that no one has ever seen, outside Wales of course, her fans are trying to drum up interest in her.

I of course won't be looking for these on YT since I'm not interested.

Gareth on the other hand, I will be. But I have seen Naoko in Hackers before even though her appeance was less than 30 seconds.

[emzbuckley.livejournal.com]

The thing i find amusing is, John, Burn, Naoko and Gareth have all done things that weren't a welsh production or made in wales before TW but the one RTD backs hasn't done anything outside of Wales or was known outside of wales before GW. And even now she is so big, lol, she can't get work outside of wales or a welsh production.

[jpren678.livejournal.com]

No one want to see her except RTD.

LOL!

[wanda1969.livejournal.com]

I don't know what to say.... I WANT to like Eve Myles, I even watched the BBC production "Framed" (which didn't have as much EM in it that the trailers led one to believe...) but "Gwen" just keeps popping into my mind whenever she does those pop eyes and toothy grins...
I WANT to say it's just RTD's instuctions that make her irritating, but I just can't get TW out of my head whenever I see her...
Sad, really, for an actress, when the bad writing of the show that they're best known for, affects the whole of their career....
As for Welsh language programmes...as you say, hardly anyone watches them. Years ago, my grandad would listen to Welsh soaps on the radio and watch Pobol Y Cwm (they were available in England, and there wasn't much else on), and nod sagely, even though he had NO IDEA what was going on. I may have done the same myself!

[wiseheart.livejournal.com]

I saw her in Merlin and found her every bit as crappy as in TW. So it isn't just the bad writing, IMO...

That sound really sad though, for the Welsh culture

[hohaiyee.livejournal.com]

Does Gareth David Lloyd speak Welsh? I looked at the FAQ (http://www.garethdavid-lloyd.co.uk/qa.html) on his site and it's pretty ambiguous;

10. Do you have any solid Welsh insults you can share?
Well, I'm Welsh. And I say "bugger off" a lot. Will that do?


...and oh, luv this;

6. Would you be friends with Ianto, Gwen, Owen, Tosh or Jack in real life? Why?
Tosh probably, I think she's the least intense of the lot of them. She'd be the most laugh over a drink. Jack? He drinks water!


Tosh turns it on and off, she's most intense when someone she loves is threatened, her mother, Mary...and Adam when her memory's been altered. I like how Tosh isn't broody though.

[emzbuckley.livejournal.com]

I mean, i liked Eve, i thought she was a nice person but with how she was behaving after COE and her comments about the fans and how far she is up RTD's arse, i lost all respect and likeness for her. I can't stand people who mistreat their fans and bits the hand that feeds them, it pisses me off big time.

[lukita.livejournal.com]

I don't know if she have other stuff in English, but they're reaching the bottom of the barrel to get people interested in EM if they're showing stuff in another language...

[jennelldhalrbj.livejournal.com]

Please note the following:

Every school in Wales must teach Welsh as a first or a Second language as it is a part of the mandatory curriculum.

Welsh is treated like English, Maths and Science as a core subject.

A friend of my sister had to do a course to teach Welsh In a Newport, Gwent School even though she is actually Spanish herself, and both my niece and nephew learned it.

If interested see:

http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/index/your_world/communications/the_welsh_language.htm

and

http://wales.gov.uk/topics/educationandskills/curriculumassessment/arevisedcurriculumforwales/nationalcurriculum/?lang=en

[emzbuckley.livejournal.com]

I think its good thing.

Ours is religion. Everyone has to do religion until you are 16.