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emzbuckley.livejournal.com posting in
antigwenallies Aug. 25th, 2009 04:28 pm)
I got my TV mag today and there was a little section on Eve's new drama with Trevor Eve and a couple of things struck me.
First, for all of RTD's sayings on how great eve is and how TW is her show, etc, it was nice to see that Trevor was the one people wanted to talk and not her and she only got mentioned in the last paragraph, that did fill me with a sick sense of smugness.
But here is the interesting thing, there was a description of her character in the show:
Angharad, played by eve, has an even bigger impact on Lester ( Trevor Eve's character ), MAKING HIM LOOK AT HIMSELF AND HIS BELOVED ART IN A DIFFERENT WAY.....
ANGHARAD IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING HIM REALISE THAT BEAUTY LIES WITHIN PEOPLE AND NOT JUST THE CANVAS.
Now, it could just be me or does sound eirely familiar? Oh yes, this is what Gwen was doing with jack wasn't it?
So apparently, the best actress in Wales according to RTD is so good, she is playing the same bloody character in two different shows.
Thought i would share it with you all.
First, for all of RTD's sayings on how great eve is and how TW is her show, etc, it was nice to see that Trevor was the one people wanted to talk and not her and she only got mentioned in the last paragraph, that did fill me with a sick sense of smugness.
But here is the interesting thing, there was a description of her character in the show:
Angharad, played by eve, has an even bigger impact on Lester ( Trevor Eve's character ), MAKING HIM LOOK AT HIMSELF AND HIS BELOVED ART IN A DIFFERENT WAY.....
ANGHARAD IS RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING HIM REALISE THAT BEAUTY LIES WITHIN PEOPLE AND NOT JUST THE CANVAS.
Now, it could just be me or does sound eirely familiar? Oh yes, this is what Gwen was doing with jack wasn't it?
So apparently, the best actress in Wales according to RTD is so good, she is playing the same bloody character in two different shows.
Thought i would share it with you all.
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I lived all my life until 2 years ago in NYC. If she was all that great she would be making the big bucks here.
Saying she's the best actress in Wales is like saying she's the best actress in some small Midwest town. I would say she's a big fish in a small pond, but its more like big fish in a puddle.
She's an Ok actress but not Oscar, Tony, or even Emmy material.
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He thinks she is the best actress in the whole country of Wales, if she is the best, i would hate to see the worst.
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I look forward to seeing the preview coments in the RT (I suspect that's the magazine you are talking about?)when I buy it! But yes, it's sounding like she's a bit of a "one trick pony" to me.
However on the subject of actors/actresses...many UK performers do not want to go to NY/LA they WANT to work for the BBC (though if the BBC carry on like this I can't think why!) or on the LOndon stage- and I'd have to agree with them in many ways! Also look at US actors clamouring to be in the West End- Kevin Spacey, Nicole Kidman, Faye Dunaway (BBC, not stage...).
Mind you, the W.E. is not Wales....! Perhaps that's why she's not described as "one of the best actresses in Britain"?
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It's true- not quite sure what "best actress in Wales means"! Never seen EM on the stage (and she was with the RSC), but from tv, I think I know what to expect! More wide eyed wonder...toothy grins...ugh! Quite frankly, I don't think I'll ever be able to get away from the characterisation of Gwen...well, it may take 20 yrs at this rate!
If RTD (and the BBC)carries on, she will definately be overexposed in the same sort of character..
Never mind the "Gwen character" in TW...who on earth thought that the audience would identify with her??
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If she gets type cast, then it is her own fault. She doesn't seem to want to push herself as an actress or grow as an actress, so if she gets stuck with the same role over and over again, oh well, it could be she likes roles like that because she doesn't have to try so hard. Also, if she is as great as RTD says she is, she would be able to change and grow and not get type cast because she is virsitile enough to change.
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I also find it funny that just one paragraph mentioned her. Also, she can't seem to get out of that "Gwen" mode, uh?
As it stands right now, if she were still an unknown, she would be just an extra in films and TV here.
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She can't get out of Gwen mode, and there is a part of me that wonders if she actually wants to.
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the fact that bbc has not announced a season 4 makes me wonder if they are having doubts about eve's drawing power.
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As for season 4, i think it will come down to two of things.
1. The actual plot of season 4. As much as RTD may think that he can turn up and say here it is give me the funding, the BBC doesn't work that way anymore. I think the BBC are waiting to see the actual scripts and outline of the season before making a decision. And also, i think they will be curious to see exactly what RTD has planned seeing as they bought a scifi program and RTD is saying it isn't scifi anymore.
2. Who is going to be the lead. As much as RTD and co might think Eve is lead material but it has been made very obvious that she isn't lead material and her character isn't liked. I don't think the BBC will comission a new season with eve as the lead, she isn't well known enough and also, they will have to spend a lot of money on a cast to try and prop her up.
The other thing is, a lot of people think that John isn't coming back, whether through his choice or RTD's. This has been backed up by RTD's comments about season 4 and also the fact that John is going to be in DH. Infact, one of the most accurate spoiler people in america for all the big shows, he is really good there is none of his spoilers that don't happen, he recently blogged about JB in DH and he implied that JB has left TW and isn't going back.
To be honest, i could see one of two things happening. 1. they get rid of RTD and bring someone in to fix the show and get it back to what they wanted. But the one i can most see is 2. Which is, going from the ending of COE and the money problems of late, they think it would be a good place to finish it and cancel TW altogether. Now as much i would want a new writing and have them fix what RTD has done, there is a part of me that want it to be cancelled just to wipe the smug look of RTD and Eve's faces.
But it think it is a big clue that they haven't even with the ratings said anything about a season 4, unlike last year where they said about season 3 about a week after it ended. its been about 6-8 weeks and still nothing.
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I don't think the BBC will do it without John. No matter what RTD may think, the only reason people watched TW was because it was john, not because of eve or RTD and now after COE, a lot of the critics are looking at TW and what RTD says is going to happen and are thinking, this isn't going to work and frankly, its not going to be worth putting the TV on for it.
I do have a feeling that this is going to come down to a battle between john and RTD and the BBC.
I have the feeling that John isn't keen on coming back, especially with the format of the show and with being a lead actor as well, i can;t see him playing second fiddle to Eve Myles, technically speaking TW needs him more than he needs TW and with him setting his sights on america, he really doesn't need to come back. I also think with how RTD is acting, i don't think he would want to work with him.
RTD thinks that he can go to the BBC with any old crap and they will make it because it is him but it isn't working that way anymore, however he doesn;t seem to grasp that. He also hasn;t grasped that without a contract with the bbc, the likely hood of him writing the show and them excepting it is very low. He has also, as well as pissing off the fans has also pissed off the bbc to the point that in one of his interviews they had to comment, and it takes a lot for them to comment on something but he has pushed it that far. Also, with the changes that he wants and what he is planning for season 4, is not what the BBC bought nor is it good enough for prime time on BBC 1 and he has also chosen a character that most people can't stand played by an actress who can't really act, which does not bode well for TW. I think one of the things that pissed him off is his favorite wasn't fawned over and also, especially in america, all the press kept on asking him was whether or not john was coming back and i seriously think he doesn't like the fact that John is more popular than him, eve and the show.
So the BBC is stuck in the middle. I think they are very pissed off with RTD and his comments, he has cost them not only a fanbase but also money because he has pissed off the fans not only with COE but his comments as well so they aren't buying the merchendias. He has also changed the format of the show and is planning on turning it into something they didn;t buy in the first place which won't go over well. He has also got rid of their bankable person which is John and has got rid of the gay relationship which has pissed off the gay community. John has done a lot of work for the bbc and is well liked and can draw people in, he can sell a show so they would want him in it, basically to draw people to it but whether or not John wants to do it is another matter. I think RTD doesn;t want john in the program and will only put him in grudgingly and probably use him as little as possible but on the other hand i don;t think john will want to play second to eve and with all that he has going on and offers in america, he is probably waiting to see what they have planned before deciding but it looks highly unlikely that he would comeback, espeically when america can offer him more than the bbc ever could.
So what to do and who do they chose. Do you go for the person who is bankable and can sell a show on his name alone? Or do you go with the writer who is acting like a diva and generally thinks he is better than everyone else and is a nightmare to work with? Do you change the writers and bring new ones in and tell them to some how fix the show and try and win the fans back? Or do you cancel it and save money because with how it ended, it seems like a great place to end.
That is what the bbc have to consider and i really can't say either way on what they will choose. I wish i could, i mean if it was me, i would either go for, new writers and tell them to come up with a way of fixing it so the rest of the cast came back or cancelling it and use john in something else and screw RTD over. And i would also cancel Sarah Jane as well just to bring him back down to earth with a bump but who knows?
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I didn't know he pissed BBC off that much that it got brought up in an interview, what did they asked and what did he say?
Oh gods, reason number two I didn't think RTD would kill off Ianto, it looks so politically incorrect by killing off the gay relationship. While other people can argue it's not homophobia and the reason behind it probably wasn't, it still looks bad.
If BBC want a S4, they need JB back and I'm pretty sure they know it, provided JB doesn't decides to stay in the States.
TW is as good as dead now, watching CoE wasn't just painful to watch because it was so lazily written, it was watching a show we love get dismantle.
I thought Sarah Jane got cancelled?
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I didn't think he would kill any of the main cast off after killing off 2 people in the previous season, its suicide for any show. If there was anyone who i thought could of been killed off, it would be Rhys because frankly, he is no use what so ever and he has no connection to the plot. And with janto being so popular, killing ianto off would kill the show so it would also be suicide for the show as well, especially with the amount of fans who like it and how powerful the gay community, especially in america, it would end the show. But he did it and now doesn;t like the fact that people have had enough and are going against him because even though he thinks the fans don't count, the fans have made the show and can kill it too. He has turned TW into what he wanted and thinks it is ok but it is going to come back and bite him. I have to say, i thought i had seen a lot of things but i have never seen a gay person be as homophobic as he is, you would think he would support his own people, not go against them and if anything, destroying janto reflects badly on him and that will also make it difficult for him in america because hollywood is gay friendly and he is a disgrace as a gay man so won't be welcomed with open arms.
If the BBC want a season 4, they are going to need john back and probably a new writing team too, the only thing is, i don't think john will want to come back with RTD in charge or while he has to play second fiddle to Eve and Gwen. I think what would make both the bbc and the writers of TW nervous is, america can offer John more opportunities and open more doors for him then TW ever could, plus they can pay him more than the bbc could and being on the big tv show gives him a bigger audience to reach out too. I think that is what is scaring them, if he gets work in america, even if it is just guest work, he won't have any reason to come back.
Nope, SJA is still going, damn it. Its so crap and the woman can't act, sounds familar? lol!
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As for this program, I will not watch it because I do not watch much TV anyhow. Wales is a very small country. I like the Welsh and my sister is married to a Welshman and has lived there for years, but even so, I am sure there are better actresses in Wales than Eve.
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Trevor Eve is a really good actor, at the moment he is mostly known as playing Boyd in Waking The Dead, a bbc one drama which is a bit like cold case except a bit more brutal. It comes on for a new season in two weeks on bbc 1.
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He also got directed by Lawerence Olivier in a play that he did back in the 70s, so you know he has to be a fantastic actor because Olivier never picked people who couldn't act.
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I have seen Cold Case so I will look for Waking the Dead, if I can get BJ to sleep in time---
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And perhaps, quadruple it if she gets to snog her husband/boyfriend whilst simultaneously olgling someone else (perhaps Trevor Eve?)....!!!
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http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/cardiff-news/2009/08/26/mari-ann-bull-10-stars-in-bbc-drama-alongside-trevor-eve-and-eve-myles-91466-24532584/
The first line of the "story" really doesn't suprise me. But what I found to be poetic justice is the name of the girls da is-- Gareth.
Mari Ann Bull, 10, stars in BBC drama alongside Trevor Eve and Eve Myles
A 10-YEAR-OLD girl has landed a top TV role alongside Torchwood actress Eve Myles.
Mari Ann Bull plays one of the lead child parts in Framed, a one-off TV drama which is being screened on Bank Holiday Monday night on BBC One.
The drama, based on the best-selling children’s book by Frank Cottrell Boyce, also features Waking the Dead star Trevor Eve as a museum curator. Myles plays a local schoolteacher.
Mari, from Penylan, Cardiff, started her acting career in 2006 when she appeared in Iolo’s Welsh Safari on BBC and in a string of Welsh-language programmes and TV adverts before landing the major role.
She plays the part of Minnie Hughes, one of four children in a struggling family whose dad suddenly leaves home – a disappearance which coincides with the arrival of priceless paintings from London’s National Gallery for storage in a nearby old slate mine.
Mari’s real-life dad Gareth Bull said: “Mari joined the audition queue at the BBC studios, which stretched through the car park and out into the main road!
“Then she got down to the last three and they chose her to act opposite Samuel Davies, who plays Dylan, because they were really well suited.”
On top of filming for four months, Mari, who is an only child, had three hours’ tutoring every day to keep up with her schoolwork.
Gareth and Mari’s mum Melva, a production assistant on Pobol Y Cwm, travelled with her to filming in Brecon, Vale of Glamorgan and Snowdonia.
“I know I’m her dad but Mari’s just remarkable – she’s such a lovely girl and really good fun,” said Gareth.
“Her memory is fantastic, which helps her learn scripts quickly, and the director and producer definitely think there’s something special about her.”
Mari took the experience of starring opposite famous actors in her stride, having a laugh with Trevor Eve while they were filming.
“We were in opposite caravans and he was always teasing me and mimicking the Welsh accent!” she said.
“I got on really well with him and Eve – she’s a lovely lady and we had lots of fun.”
Gareth and Melva were so hopeful that Mari would get the part of Minnie that they put off their annual summer holiday to Disneyworld in Florida until next year.
“We didn’t book the holiday because we knew the auditions were coming up and believed she was ready-made for the part,” said Gareth.
“Then they started filming in April and we only found out two days before that she got it, so it’s been a whirlwind few months.”
Mari has already decided that she wants to study drama at university and hopes to act in more TV shows as she gets older.
“I was a bit upset when we finished filming because I was having such a good time,” she said.
“I can’t wait to see the programme when it comes on TV – we’ve taped all the adverts and anything to do with Framed.”
Framed will be shown at 8.30pm on Monday on BBC1.
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And this begs another question... why is RTD obssessed with the worries of pregnant women? I don't have kids, but I am more than irritated with TV's obsession with kids and the juggling of family life... cliche, cliche!
All I wanted was FUN sci-fi.. NOT family issues I get enough of that at work where mothers constantly do not come into work, and let childless people like myself, cover all their work when they say that "their kids" are ill etc etc.It is somehow expected that I don't have alife and I'm happy to do this....
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I have no idea why he is so obsessed with family issues, he has turned both Sarah Jane and Gwen into mothers. The only thing it could suggest is he has a lot of issues unresolved with himself and his own family that it comes through in his work. I said in an earlier post, that he seems to have a mother complex and from how he destroyed the janto relationship, he has issues with his own sexuality. Maybe he is subcousiously trying to express them through his work or it could be he is just obsessed with pregnancy.
To be honest, i always thought Gwen would get pregnant but i don't think it would be so bad if tosh, owen, jack and ianto were there because we would of had a balance the story out but now it is just her, there will be no balance, all we will have is the hardship of gwen.
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COE, to me wasn't TW. I wanted the rift, the weevils, Wales, Myfwany, Janto, coffee. I didn't want politics, Gwen & Rhys and whatever else COE was meant to be.
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Frankly there was way to much government in it, i really didn't care by the end.
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Although i might be reading into things. LOL!
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I also find it ironic that the kids dad's name is Gareth, lol, irony!
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The only reason they have to put TW infront of her name is basically because no one knows who she is. She may think she is big but in reality she is no one. Its also funny that seeing as she is meant to be the star of TW, how she has to use TW before her name in anything else she does but John doesn't need it at all.
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Now I'm starting to feel sorry for Eve, it must sucks to realized nobody knows her.
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IF EM only has one acting style, I also find it amusing to wonder what on earth she was like when she was with the RSC! I can just imagine plays such as Macbeth, Othello et al with extra eye-popping stares, gappy grins and so on.... What a horrendous thought! Perhaps that's why she's on the telly...
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Lady Helen: Yes, it's definitely to late for Arthur. (Chackles evilly)
King Uther: (nods sagely and continues to eat).
...Maybe it was a little of both. And then Merlin dropped a chandlier on her. Yes, I very much like Merlin.
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