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emzbuckley.livejournal.com posting in antigwenallies Aug. 19th, 2009 06:08 am)So, i was looking at the promo images from COE and i noticed something.
Gwen has the most promo shots out of the entire lot, she has more than Jack and Ianto put together.
Gwen - 13 pics ( 15 if you include her and rhys pics)
Ianto - 4 pics
Jack - 5 pics ( 8 & 9 pics if you include janto promo's)
She has more than Jack and it was meant to be his show.
Thought you should know.
Gwen has the most promo shots out of the entire lot, she has more than Jack and Ianto put together.
Gwen - 13 pics ( 15 if you include her and rhys pics)
Ianto - 4 pics
Jack - 5 pics ( 8 & 9 pics if you include janto promo's)
She has more than Jack and it was meant to be his show.
Thought you should know.
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As for COE, it wasn't Torchwood to me as there was no mention of the Rift or anything. It was a different program. All those folk saying it was the greatest Torchwood are wrong because it wasn't Torchwood.
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CoE is the same all over again.
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And really? Maybe there was a good reason why 'Excalibur' was rejected...And so wrapping it up in the success of another show isnt going what sounds to me borring and common any better...especially when everything that made up this new wrapping a success has been broken, killed, gone, and burnt
And personally if all this is what RTD had intended then I would love to see all this come back and bite him in the arse
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I also noticed how jack is the after thought, its Gwen and family, then, oh jack's there too. What's the betting that its going to be jack turning up for 5 minutes to sort out any disaster Gwen and her family have created and then he disappears again?
And another thing, i like the way he says he wants to keep the format of COE, the only reason he wants to keep the format is because he doesn't have to try too hard and doesn't have to do character development, its all big bangs and action but no plot.
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or too much on acting...because shit, all the better actors have been killed off
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The thing is, with the success of TW and the successful return of Dr Who, couldn't the BBC just have commissioned Excalibur (crap title , by the way, in my opinion....) as a DIFFERENT series, instead of messing with TW...? There's plenty of space on the schedule.
Rejuvenate the show?! It needed more continuity, and better and less silly storylines, but surely they could have acheived that without killing everyone apart from Gwen and destroying Cap'n Jack? After all, these people are supposed to be professionals... God , I'm ranting again!
All I need is ANOTHER "Moonlighting"/"X Files" stylee show with lots of unresolved sexual tension (again)...been there, seen that...again and again.
Surely other viewers feel the same..?
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The Trips were very lively last night in the heat so I am tired----
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Added Davies: "Torchwood has become an umbrella for telling a good story. This wasn't anything to do with Cardiff, or the rift,"
Which basically means that he thinks he can pluck any action adventure/political thriller/soap opera type plot from his arse, slap the Torchwood name on it, and expect the audience to lap it up and be grateful.
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And if the show goes down the toilet, it wouldn't bother him too much, either.
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And that's assuming that they could get started filming in Spring 2010, which won't necessarily happen if EM takes the year off after having her kiddie. We could be looking at a potential airdate of mid to late 2011. How many new viewers will even remember Gwen's name by then?
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....Those who loved CoE and look forward to what comes next are thinking it will be more of the same type of sciFi
They are in for a rude awakening because whatever comes next is not going to look like Torchwood it is not going to be CoE...what it will look like will be an Ex Cop lady juggling job and a baby
I would like to know just what the BBC must be thinking knowing that a money making hot property of theirs has been destroyed
What I pray happens is RTD is paid off to leave and some one else steps in and does damage contol
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See the above comments from the Coventry Telegraph! One reader states she thought CoE was brilliant and she hadn't seen...then as you read further she states that she has now watched Series one and 2 and CoE is nowhere near as good! SO THERE, JG, RTD and the BBC! Hope the link works!
My belief is half the viewers hadn't seen TW before, and didn't know any better (!) and the other half were looking forward, like me and Mr Wanda1969 to "Sexy Young Alien Huunters in Cardiff", not political chitchat in London (don't get me wrong- I watch lots of political drama/documentaries), but I have said before: "I obviously didn't read the small print on RTD's tin (the Rusty Tin?)- warning:you may think that this show is a bit of fun about a Team of alien hunters in Cardiff, but consume enough and you will find out it's actually about the work and family life of the highly irritating Gwen Williams (nee Cooper)".
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The BBC owns the show they don't have to pay him to do anything. I find his talking about Torchwood slightly confusing as he no longer works for the organisation that makes it. I thought I saw an interview about the time or not long after CoE where he said he wouldn't be running the show anymore (being in the US) but he'd keep an eye on it. Couldn't be confusing Torchwood for Doctor Who I suppose but Moffat's takeover of Who is old news.
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I am pretty sure RTD did not sell the entire rights to his show and maintains some form of owership
So in order to change whatever remains of this owenership to a place where RTD no longer has any claim it would take another
contract agreement
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While I'm sure the BBC would be doing their best to keep all the rights, if RTD had a good agent/solictor on side, who knows what the end agreement was.
Personally I hope that it's the BBC that have the final say on everything, but without seeing the original agreement, it's not a 100% certainty.
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Interestingly, i was watching BBC breakfast on 6th Jul- Imagine my joy when I heard that Gareth David Lloyd and Eve Myles were going to be interviewed to promote CoE! So I watched. I can only think that Gareth David Lloyd had very little to say because he knew the outcome... I have spotted the interview on You tube (see link below- does it work?)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHR8a2Gs5qM
It was this concentration on Gwen that made me worry the darn show was turning into "Gwen's Angels".
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I was just shocked by the sheer amount of pics she had, you never realise it until you see them altogether.
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Every time I log onto a CoE promotional site the picture that pops up is GWEN WITH A BIG GUN....
Excalibur might have been the initial intention, but they'd managed to make a much more fun TEAM show, and should have left it at that....
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No, your not alone with the whole interview thing. The only thing i kept on thinking was, Eve would you shut up!
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I am not an obssesive person, but watching "Gwen promotion" by the BBC has actually caused me to join AGA, post comments, write rubbish....etc etc
I hear Eve Myles is going to be in a new BBC series (end of Aug)....as I am a glutton for punishment I am going to tune in to see how well she acquits herself...
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she hated it. her other complainant was (lol) not enough naked jack.
thought during the interviews that eve should have tact & pr lessons and that gareth was a real pro.
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I watched the Interview when it was first being broadcast and the amount of emails I had off my friends who had watched it and was shocked at how much Eve just took over, the news team asking Q's of Gareth and Eve just sorta cut over him and carried on.
I thought there was more Gwen pics then Jack or even Ianto but since you pointed out how many its a bit of a shock!!
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Has anyone (with a stopwatch?) actually calculated the characters'screen time in CoE? I have my suspicions that Lois and Gwen probably take up most screen time, along with Frobisher et al. As i have said before, many of poor Ianto's lines were just reading out Lois' shorthand....
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I think to be honest, Gwen, Lois, Rhys and the government got more screen time than jack and ianto put together. I think they maybe got 1 hour 30 minutes, thats it.
And that is also what pissed me off with COE, Rhys. He is as thick as shit and he really annoyed me.
I wouldn't bother with the new drama, her acting hasn't changed from when she did the ep in DW, i don't think it is going to change now. I did make a comment on one of the lists, when someone was going on about eve in that program with freema, and she was going on about her character and how good she was, ETC, and i said the only reason she was any good in it, was basically because thats all she can act, wide eyed, petulant and stupid. I am such a bitch, lol.
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You are not a bitch at all! Everyone I know is of the same opinion on the subject of Gwen, they just were obviously not as motivated as me to join AGA.
And that's another thing! 5 hours of CoE, and hardly any TW...
I can deal with Rhys as an occasional comedy interlude... but he's not a member of TW... Mind you, who's left??
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She is probably OK for a soap and there is nothing wrong with that. Many folk love soaps.
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Russell T. Davies, producer/creator of both the new serial publication of Dr. Who and Torchwood, in 2005 was asked to do a new Sci-Fi serial publication for BBC 3, Davies chose to apply an idea he had had back in 2002 for a Sci-Fi/crime drama in an akin manner to the American English dramas like Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel. The idea had been titled Excalibur, but had been abandoned. During the production of the 2005 Dr. Who serial publication the anagram (a word conceived from the letters of others) of Dr. Who “Torchwood” had been applied as a code name for the 1st couple of installments, Davies connected the name with his new Sci-Fi serial and chose to make it a Dr. Who Spin-off. The 1st two installments of Torchwood were broadcast on the 22nd of October 2006.
Julie Gardner, executive producer of the BBC series Torchwood and head of drama development for BBC Wales, tellsSCI-FI WIRE that Torchwood's roots lie in a fascination with American science fiction shows - particularly those in the boom of the 1990s.
She talks about an early series she and Russell T Davies developed called Excalibur which centered around a paranormal investigation team.
"It was a kind of [an] urban-landscape, present-day series," Gardner said.
"And the scene that Russell in his two-page pitch described was the scene where there was this sexy group of investigators in an alleyway at night, it's raining, a corpse is on the ground, and one of them brings out a glove and is able to bring the corpse back to life, which is, of course, the central first scene in Episode 1 of what became Torchwood."
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In 2002, Queer as Folk producer Russell T. Davies was asked by the BBC to produce a television show similar to the United States' Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel. Davies' concept, Excalibur, focused on an agency that investigated the supernatural and alien. The concept was shelved. In 2005, the network again asked Davies to develop a new science-fiction series. Davies began placing mentions of a morally ambiguous Earth organization called the Torchwood Institute in the series Doctor Who. Davies has made a nod to the series' roots by casting Buffy and Angel regular James Marsters as a recurring nemesis of Captain Jack Harkness (John Barrowman)
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"sexy group of investigators"- EXCALIBUR!
ie they were fun series
Back to the point- the operative words, JD and RTD, are "sexy" and "group"!!! And this no longer exists!
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As for Eve Myles and her soap style of acting---- millions of folk watch some Soap or other and for a lot of them Soaps are evidently great. Therefore, some people's idea of great acting is The Soap style. RTD is a Soap fan. Enough said----
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