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severia.livejournal.com posting in antigwenallies Aug. 8th, 2009 03:50 am)Ever since I started watching Torchwood I thought it was created to be a John Barrowman show. It was supposed to be about one of the most popular Dr Who companions Captain Jack Harkness. After reading several interviews with Russel T. Davies I finally realised that he wanted to create an Eve Myles show and used John Barrowman to make a virtually unknown actress famous.
Can somebody tell me what is so special about Eve Myles? IMO she is neither a very talented actress (bulging your eyes and overdramatic gestures don't count as good acting), not stunning or sexy (she is tolerable, but not handsome enough to tempt), nor is she overly bright (considering her answers in some interviews). What does RTD see in her that he doesn't see in Gareth?
As for the character of Gwen Cooper, shouldn't RTD, who is supposedly a very talented writer, be able to create a character that is not so badly written?
And as for Jack/Gwen pairing people should only remember it is Captain Jack Harkness we are talking here about. If he wanted to have sex with her he would have. After all, he would only have to look at her, she would come running.
After the disappointment that was Season 3 this realisation makes me feel even more betrayed then Ianto's death.
Sorry for the rant I just had to get it out.
Can somebody tell me what is so special about Eve Myles? IMO she is neither a very talented actress (bulging your eyes and overdramatic gestures don't count as good acting), not stunning or sexy (she is tolerable, but not handsome enough to tempt), nor is she overly bright (considering her answers in some interviews). What does RTD see in her that he doesn't see in Gareth?
As for the character of Gwen Cooper, shouldn't RTD, who is supposedly a very talented writer, be able to create a character that is not so badly written?
And as for Jack/Gwen pairing people should only remember it is Captain Jack Harkness we are talking here about. If he wanted to have sex with her he would have. After all, he would only have to look at her, she would come running.
After the disappointment that was Season 3 this realisation makes me feel even more betrayed then Ianto's death.
Sorry for the rant I just had to get it out.
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I don't want to be derogatory towards Eve Myles, but neither her looks or her acting are anything to write home about. I don't get what RTD sees in her. We're also supposed to love Gwen (apparently). Yeah... I don't know about anyone else, but selfish egotistical adulters are generally characters which I have a hard time liking.
Also yeah, the Gwack thing. I've heard some people say that Jack is only with Ianto until he can get Gwen. Um... wait, what? It's Jack whose been holding BACK the thing with Gwen! She's been trying to get into his pants since day one. She snogged what she thought was Jack on her wedding day FFS!
I knew S3 was going to be all Gwen due to most the promo pictures featuring her in the foreground, and the description of "Gwen stands alone" for Day Five. But it turned out to be even worse than I imagined!
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As for Eve Myles. I can just try to compare her to Catherine Zeta-Jones. Nothing else needs to be said.
It's funny when in KKBB she tells Jack about her engagement and he goes all WTF are you expecting me to propose to you now or what? and then tries to change the topic akwardly and get away from her.
As for the promo pictures I didn't expect her to take such a huge part. It's hillarious how the authors change what she is supposed to be every season. First season was about empathy. Even they could see she sucked at that. Second season she was an alien profiler. Hello, human profilers are people who have degrees from sociology, psychology, psychiatrics, sexuology, etc. Here we have a woman who doesn't know what a Dalek is.
Third season she is a leader. A person who commands other people is a woman wo can't follow a simple order.
That's what I thought before the third season aired. Well, no need to invent a new role for Gwen now. The whole show went down the drain when they killed Janto. Were they really so blind so as not to see why majority of people are watching it?
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I seriously cannot watch that scene, it's just SO cringe-worthy in so many ways. I can't even imagine what S4 will be like with mother Gwen and not even any Ianto to help relieve some of the Gwenccentrism. Another reason I wont be watching!
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Uhm, nope. Torchwood was just a slight reworking of an unsold pilot penned by RTD called Excalibur that he wrote as a vehicle for Eve Myles prior to his receiving the Doctor Who gig. When BBC turned it down, it was shelved. After DW made such a splash, BBC asked for a post-watershed tie-in to Doctor Who. RTD did a very mild retread (that's the industry term for taking a pre-existing unsold script and adapting it so it sort of fits into another storyline) and we had Torchwood. Jack Harkness was sloppily bolted onto the Excalibur plot and the Doctor Who internal code name was selected as the new show's name which was then slowly introduced into the DW mythos during Series 2.
RTD's hard on for Eve Myles probably has something to do with her Soap Opera background since he is very, very much a fan of the over-the-top melodramatic soap operas.
Let's not forget that prior to airing, Torchwood Series 1 played up Indira Varma as a major character as well. BBC used Barrowman's Doctor Who credentials and Varma's international credentials to draw attention and then effectively pulled a fast one.
I used to make excuses for Myles' acting, figuring she must have been doing the best she could with a poorly written character; but now I'm not so sure. After several of her interviews I've come to the conclusion that she really is that dumb and actually believes the smoke RTD and his cronies have blown up her backside. It will be interesting to see how long that lasts with the shifting at BBC which has removed pretty much all of the BBC Wales and RTD in particular supporters from decision making posts.
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As for Indira Varma I'm sorry that they used her too but not surprised. I really liked Suzie (the odd kill who does it hurt? and Gwen was responsible for more deaths then Suzie without having to pay for her mistakes) and she would be a great female lead. I can just imagine what her fans thought about that. And it's not as if they could have used Eve Myles for promoting Torchwood before Season 1.
BTW, is that why when John Hart was guessing for team names in KKBB he said Excalibur, Bikini Cops?
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ZOMG. RTD IS NOT THE GOOD WRITER HE'S MADE OUT TO BE.
I'M SORRY. HE LIKES KILLING CHARACTERS FOR NO REASON. HE WENT AND KILLED PHIL ON QAF FOR NO REASON. SRSLY. THERE WAS NO REASON FOR THAT.
AND IANTO'S DEATH WAS FUCKING POINTLESS TOO. "/
RTD HAS A GOD COMPLEX.
Pffft.
And sorry, but if an actor has been in Doctor Who. They should stay there.
I mean as in Gwyneth magically turned into Gwen.
Martha was ok. Because she stayed in the same show, and her part in torchwood = same character.
Where as I totally agree that RTD was like OMG I LOVE EVE MYLES SO MUCH SHE'S AMAZING. I KNOW. LET'S EXPLOIT JOHN BARROWMAN IN ORDER TO GET A SHIT ACTOR SOME WORK!
I mean Gareth is actually a GOOD actor. Even if he is a bit arsey sometimes in person. But he's a nice guy. I cant say I have anything against Eve personality wise, because she was so nice to me when I met her, and she remembered my name and stuff, but as an actress, I don't see what anyone sees in her. If I was to compare her to real life, I'd compare her to the kid at school who thinks they are amazing at acting and singing, and always gets the main part in all the school plays and the teacher thinks they're amazing, but everyone else is like WTF? GTFO! And they go to college, then acting school, and when they get there, they're told they're shit.
meh.
but there's nout we can do about it.
We either grin and bear it and hope to god that RTD sees sense.
But we already know he has no common sense. Ianto was probably the most liked character, but of course, he doesn't care about that, because Gwen is his pride and joy.
I actually said, why didn't they just kill Ianto off in series 2 if he was gonna do it (we should have seen it coming really. threatening to kill him off in s1 then s2 "/) . At least we wouldn't have been so upset. Like with tosh and owen, we were upset, but not so far as petitioning and crying for hours on end. (I don't think. I know I didn't even though I related to Tosh sooo much)
I know! RTD should have a show called "RTD'S FAVE PERSON EVER. EVE MYLES!" where he just has her acting. Then people would see there's nothing special about her.
Pfffffft.
S4. I am watching first episode. If bloody Lois is in it, or it's just jack and gwen, or even just gwen, i will not watch another episode. i'm sorry. that was just wrong replacing ianto before he'd even died.
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I won't say that RTD is a good or a bad writer (even though I consider quite a lot of his work badly written) but he is most deffinitelly one without any business sense.
He doesn't understand the basic rules of offer and demand. He made a lot of money. I am not denying that but he could have made much MUCH more. He had a show that had a potential to become in time almost as good and famous as Star Trek. He threw it away.
He doesn't understand that the most important people here are the fans (or I can say customers) not him. It's us who watch his programmes, buy the DVDs, magazines, dolls, etc. That's where the money he makes come from. Without us he could only write for himself and put it into a drawer.
Customer satisfaction should be on first place for him (or at least for his superiors). When customers are not satisfied they go somewhere else (in my case fanfiction, there are quite a few writers whose work I like much better then his and would rather watch their stories on TV). Why do you think that HMV started sending out the Season 3 DVDs earlier then what they were contracted to. They knew they would loose customers (money) because people didn't like the Season 3 outcome and I heard a lot of people saying they cancelled their pre-order.
And sorry, but if an actor has been in Doctor Who. They should stay there.
Wouldn't that apply to Captain Jack too?
Ianto was probably the most liked character
As I see it he was the one that people identified with. A boy from a poor family who was average in almost everything (except his memory and looks) who had to con his way inside Torchwood (well Torchwood 3 anyway). You don't see any superpowers appearing out of nowhere; just what he gained by hard work and training.
I actually said, why didn't they just kill Ianto off in series 2
I'd rather he didn't die at all but if they did kill him in Season 2 it wouldn't cause as much upset as it did in Season 3 (no matter how much RTD is trying to downplay it) especially after all the Janto promotion.
I know! RTD should have a show called "RTD'S FAVE PERSON EVER. EVE MYLES!" where he just has her acting
LOL. That would never get them the ratings.
S4. I am watching first episode. If bloody Lois is in it, [...] that was just wrong replacing ianto before he'd even died.
RTD said he doesn't replace dead characters. That's why the doctor who was supposed to replace Owen had to die. Lois didn't replace Ianto after he died. She was offered the job before he died. By Torchwood Recruitment Officer. (I'm not quite sure about the title she has given herself and I am not rewatching Season 3 again).
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So Gwen wasn't a replacement for Susie then?
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Anyway I doubt if anything I say will change anyones opinion so I'll leave it there.
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Though if [Bad username or site: [info]holdingoff @ livejournal.com] is correct that it's not the first time TW did a bait and switch on the audience/potential viewers, should we really be surprised? It's not like we haven't realized by now that RTD is a one trick pony. Or it's like ordering a salad at a restaurant only to be told by the kitchen they're out of vegetables and their chef is actually a penguin.
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Sorry to pick out this bit from your post but it really is a fantastic line.
As for soaps--I hate them---which may explain my total dislike of RTD and his lousy writing.
As for Eve Myles acting--doing a spell at the RSC doesn't automatically prove you are a great actor--does it? I have read some reviews of plays there in which some of the acting was criticized. Anyhow, she acts in Torchwood like it is a soap, which, of course, may be what the powers that be require.
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I have seen Eve Myles playing Gwyneth the maidservant in Dr Who and she was quite decent over there. Of course, she didn't make the bulging eyes, or shriek like a harpy, or thump her chest, so that may have helped. I wonder why, if she is capable of delivering a good performance earlier, she became so much worse later in Torchwood.
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Gareth said Eve. (The handcuff one.)
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That was the one thing I didn't understand because I couldn't see any similarities between Rose and Gwen. As you said RTD has a limited ability to come up with new ideas. Maybe he will go back to the original idea of killing off Rhys then Jack and Gwen will get together.
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Actually, if you've read "Inside the Hub" it was supposed to be about Captain Jack & a lead female, for the record.
After reading several interviews with Russel T. Davies ...
If you're going to insult him, career and otherwise, at least learn how to spell his name correctly. Russell T. Davies.
And as for Jack/Gwen pairing people should only remember it is Captain Jack Harkness we are talking here about.
Yeah, you Jack/Ianto shippers would do good to remember that one as well. Who knows who he is off shagging now in good ole memory of dear Ianto.
This whole community is dispicable. LOL. That you have nothing better to do than to bash Eve Myles & Gwen Cooper. Pathetic.
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Says the person who sought out an anti-Gwen community to poke fun it.
And by the way, it's spelt dEspicable. It you're going to insult us, at least learn how to spell the insults correctly.
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Diss Gwen all you like, that's your prerogative, but don't diss the actress because she is doing a job. That makes you look really, really sad.
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And doesn't that just tell you something! Not just that the disinterest in both the character and the soap opera actress who plays her is overwhelming but that even her alleged fans are more interested in trolling other people's sites than actually talking about her.
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Oh and not everyone here is a Janto shipper.
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Welcome to the community. We always appreciate opinions from people who are Gwen's fans and we enjoy very much having civil and polite discussions with them especially if they can offer valid and supportive reasoning for their opinions.
Thank you for pointing out that Torchwood was supposed to be about Captain Jack and a lead female. As
I sincerely appologise to everybody who might have taken any offence for misspelling Mr. Davies's name.
Thank you for proving valid my point about Jack/Gwen relationship. I never said that Jack doesn't shag other people just that he doesn't want to shag Gwen even though she would be more then willing.
I am sorry that you think this community is despicable. Maybe we don't have anything better to do than bash Eve Myles and Gwen Cooper but at least we are doing it here where we don't force our opinions on other people. At least we are not so pathetic as to visit other communities and insult their members.
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If you're going to insult him, career and otherwise, at least learn how to spell his name correctly. Russell T. Davies.
Sorry, I can't resist and I'm not a member of this comm either. But if you're going to correct the spelling of someone's name, try to get it right.
Russel T (no period) Davies.
See the cover of his book, The Writer's Tale as an example:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/images/1846075718/sr=8-1/qid=1249947291/ref=dp_otherviews_0?ie=UTF8&s=books&img=0&qid=1249947291&sr=8-1
(Yes, I laughed at amazon, seeing they have it listed as Russell T. (with the period) Davies as well.)
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As for Google Alerts-no one is forcing folk to actually log onto an alert. I just ignore some of mine.
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