Torchwood-homophobic?

[slns7552.livejournal.com]

http://io9.com/ 5317165/is- torchwood- homophobic- fans-debate

Has anyone seen this?  What do you think?

Comments

[emzbuckley.livejournal.com]

Erm.... Lets think.


Got Rid of Ianto, Got rid of Jack, Got rid of Janto....


Oh, got rid of John Barrowman.


Ruins everything for a straight character.

Yep, i would say it is pretty homophobic.

[tomorrows-moon.livejournal.com]

The thought that is what homophobic never really crossed my mind at first (mostly because i was curled up, crying at the death of my poor Ianto and essentially my poor show) but now...

Yep.

Mary dies = Tosh finds out that she was alien and evil.
Rhys dies = Gwen gets him back.
Ianto dies = Jack doesn't get him back.

i don't think we need a game of 'guess the odd one out' to make my point...

[techmuse.livejournal.com]

I just saw Day one last night and found the reaction of Ianto's family to him dating Jack to be distasteful, did not expect that of the writing on Torchwood. I just thought they were beyond trying to drum up drama using the homophobe vibe.

[michele659.livejournal.com]

While I don't think Ianto was killed BECAUSE of his sexuality,it does seem like they're planning on pushing S4 to a much wider,mainstream audience. Apparently they think that audience-both in the UK and US will prefer a show with a married woman having UST with her boss,while her husband trails behind her to a same sex relationship between two men who love and respect one another.
I don't think just because Jack talks about his same sex relationships constantly that makes the show pro those relationships.And who knows what will happen in S4? Maybe even those comments will slow down or cease. But talking about a same sex relationship is not the same as showing one. Talk,as they say,is cheap. I remember gay people being annoyed with Will and Grace for that reason. Yes, you'll show a man who's gay but not show him in a relationship? Might as well make him a heterosexual.
Will got a boyfriend in the next season.
Let's hope the BBC gets the same message from its fans!

[manics-fan.livejournal.com]

While I do hate to think of Torchwood as homophobic I really did get that vibe from series 3. Before the same-sex relationship between Jack and Ianto wasn't made a big deal of, it was treated as no different to that of Gwen and Rhys. There was no feeling of "Oooo look a gay couple, let's stare and make a big deal of it" which I feel vanished in the new series, not only with the homophobia portrayed in it and the "jokes" but also the storyline.

There is a famous cliche (I think there is a sepcific name for it but I can't recall quite now) where same-sex couples in movies, books, TV shows, ect, can never have happy endings. One (or both) of the couple either dies, goes insane, or turns evil. Sadly TW have now followed that cliche, with Gwen and Rhys, the happy heterosexual couple coming out alright, with a baby too, but Ianto dying. In series 1 when Rhys dies, of course he gets brought back.

It just comes to look bad when the only heterosexual main character in the team (no I don't count that snog with Carys because it was acknowledged that she had a sort of afrodisiac effect on people) comes off alright, when all the others die. Jack being the only exception of course because he can't die permanently, but he still lost his lover, which Gwen hasn't... well not permanently anyway.

Whoops, sorry, that turned into a bit of a rant, didn't it?

[slns7552.livejournal.com]

Don't worry about the rant. I feel the same.

[haldane.livejournal.com]

The absolute refusal to show any same-sex relationship as either caring or lasting is called fridging, I think.

[haddaka.livejournal.com]

I think a conspiracy is going on among the PTB. I've noticed a growing trend with new TV series. Only 2 or 3 main characters, mostly female, 1 male. It's like they are trying to do away with m/m slash pairings.

/It's like they are trying to do away with m/m slash pairings/

[hohaiyee.livejournal.com]

Obviously the fandom solution is to come to a general consensus over which of the female characters is actually a man and than ship that.

I know in that canon Marvel AU where Captain America married Iron Woman, in my fanon, Captain America is also a woman who just hid her gender during the war, ha!

[holdingoff.livejournal.com]

i can't remember who; but someone over on torch_wood compiled all of RTD's non-heterosexual characters in the Who 'verse and every single one of them is either completely dead or has died several times (aka Jack.)

it was slightly jarring to see the list.

[slns7552.livejournal.com]

If you see it again please give me the link. I'd love to see it.

[jsks.livejournal.com]

i will have to go look at that list. compare the past 2 seasons with coe and tell me that was not gaybashing.

[wingslapped.livejournal.com]

I don't think it was intentional homophobia, but the same type of writing (killing off one or both people in a gay relationship and comments from people in COE that come off homophobic) have been done over and over again in TV and film and were homophobic. Those scenes along with the Filipino comment by Gwen rubbed me wrong.