New Suggestion

[emzbuckley.livejournal.com]

My mum came up with a new suggestion to get our voices heard. Why don't we send letter and coffee and stuff to TW Magazine? Its an extention of TW, so its worth a shot. 

Comments

[slns7552.livejournal.com]

I don't know if that would do anything. I have every single issue. Like RTD it pushes Gwen and Eve. Even John/Jack doesn't get the exposure she does. When Gareth moved from the semi-finals to the finals in Cardiff's Queens Arcade's Face of Cardiff contest it wasn't even mentioned. When TW mag did a spread on the best people, places and things in Cardiff she was the first thing mentioned but he didn't even make the spread.

My opinion is that they will throw everything away and ignore it.

[emzbuckley.livejournal.com]

I know what you mean. I mean, excuse my french but what the fuck do they see in her and Gwen?

I mean, i like Eve as a person, nice woman but she is no actress. It was very apparent in Day 5 who the power actor was. She was all about the over dramatic and loads of tears and sounds, where john, who didn;t have a lot of dialogue, didn't need all that. You could just tell from his body language and his expressions what jack was thinking and feeling. I think where you can tell the difference between the two was when they had to cry. Eve was all tears running down and load sobbing, John was just single tears running down his face, his eyes filled with tears and just the look. It made you just want to weep because he looked so broken.

The thing that i think you can tell is ep 5 was supposed to show that Eve could carry the show and could lead a show, in fact, you could take the whole bloody series about showing that Eve could and would be lead but she doesn't have the power or the charisma for it. Or is it just me?

What i don't understand is, the show is/ was meant to be about Jack and his character and what he has been up to, where did we get any of that? We got Gwen's life, Gwen's struggle, Gwen's relationships, etc, but nothing really about Jack, Ianto, Tosh and Owen. I mean, we get a snippet of something but no expansion on it, and now we can't because 3 of them are dead and Jack has disappeared. I mean, what was the point?

[slns7552.livejournal.com]

I've only seen her in Doctor Who and TW but she didn't have much depth. Same buggy eyes, same whine in her voice. Very one dimensional. I agree that she couldn't carry a show by herself.

I don't know what they see in her. I haven't liked Gwen from the beginning when she ignored the "keep out" signs and got that man killed by the weevil in the first episode. I wanted to learn more about the others and see them as the focus of more episodes. Even the ones that were supposed to focus on one of the others still gave a lot of scene time to Eve/Gwen. In one issue of TW they were talking about a couple of the episodes didn't have a lot of her in it (Out of the Rain was one of them) so they had to write Adrift for her to star in.

Makes me wonder if RTD is really as good as everyone says he is. I'm not real impressed with him.

[holdingoff.livejournal.com]

Eve was originally supposed to be the driving force or Out of the Rain as well; but the shooting schedule put it and Adrift together so she couldn't handle the dialog. That's the only reason Ianto's character got more airtime.

Makes me wonder if RTD is really as good as everyone says he is. I'm not real impressed with him.

Many have said this for years. He comes up with some good ideas, but becomes bored quickly and destroys his toys rather than let them possibly improve with his absence. Technically, Doctor Who is the longest project he's ever done at 52 episodes over 4 series; which in the American industry is barely 2 standard seasons.

[slns7552.livejournal.com]

I know all the RTD lovers will hate me for saying this but I don't think he will make it in Hollywood. TV here has 22 episodes a season if they make it past the first 6 weeks. The inconsistencies in plot and character (ie Gwen mostly) aren't tolerated. If he had written Torchwood here instead of England I don't think it would have been a success.

[holdingoff.livejournal.com]

What i don't understand is, the show is/ was meant to be about Jack and his character and what he has been up to, where did we get any of that? We got Gwen's life, Gwen's struggle, Gwen's relationships, etc, but nothing really about Jack, Ianto, Tosh and Owen. I mean, we get a snippet of something but no expansion on it, and now we can't because 3 of them are dead and Jack has disappeared. I mean, what was the point?

RTD originally wrote a sci-fi series pilot that integrated elements from the X-Files and Buffy the Vampire Slayer. He pitched it to BBC as "Excalibur" prior to getting the green light for the Doctor Who restart. BBC said no.

After the first series of Doctor Who did so well, BBC requested a post watershed show that was linked to Doctor Who. RTD pulled the Excalibur script off the shelf and grafted Captain Jack Harkness onto it and a couple minor DW references. It picked up the name Torchwood, which had been the early code name for new Who and Torchwood started getting integrated into the DW universe.

The original Excalibur script centered around a female Cardiff police constable that accidentally gets involved with a secret government agency.

So technically, even though we were sold Torchwood as a DW product with the addition of Jack Harkness, he was never meant to be the main character. And now, RTD has Torchwood back to his original Excalibur plan- centered around the female character and all of the messy quasi-DW references cleanly wiped away.

[jennelldhalrbj.livejournal.com]

This explains a lot. We viewers have never been told any of this. As for Eve's acting skills----

I showed a friend of mine my John Barrowman tour program and she went into ecstasy about how gorgeous he is. She had never seen him before as her and her Husband are into things involving Tennis and Soldiers doing tricks with guns {sorry I can't remember what these events are called in English}.

Because of John my friend watched COE. Of course her Husband watched as well. When it finished I asked them what they thought of it and the acting.

My friend said that John was not only gorgeous but could act too. She said she didn't think much of the lead {Eve in other words}. Her Husband added that he couldn't understand how she got a leading role because she was very average and not up to it. As for the thing in general, they both watched all 5 episodes because they hoped it would have a good ending. They were both disappointed in it and said it if was shown again or there was any more they would not watch it.

[emzbuckley.livejournal.com]

I know what you mean.

My mum watched the finale ep for me, i was too upset to watch, so i was given a running commentry on the whole thing. She thought Eve's acting was terrible and also said that if John has gone, Eve is not strong enough to carry the series on her own and would need a really good and powerful cast in order to back her up. The thing she didn't get is the fact that you have had 4 really good and powerful actors, why did they decided to put the weakest at the front. Its normally the power actors who are front and centre. She also said that Eve didn't have enough pull to keep the show going, she said it would be fine to leave Gwen on her own but she cant' act that well nor is she attractive enough and so she won;t pull the vest ( aka men ) in.

In my mum's opinion, she doesn't think the bbc will comission a season 4 without John and she doesn;t think he is that keen on the idea either. The end was a perfect end for jack and there is no real reason for him to come back. But she does think that with what was written and the fans reaction, the BBC are going to have to think about if there is any point in a season 4 and she thinks if John says no, then they won't do it at all because eve is not strong enough to carry it nor is she main material.